Sarah Paine

The loads of people dying, a lot of it's starvation.

So people like Deng Xiaoping, who, if he'd been in Russia, Stalin killed all the old Bolsheviks, right?

There was no chance to come back, whereas the Chinese will put people in prison and try to re-educate them, and then you let them out afterwards.

It's a tradition of educating people, different culture, different approaches to these things.

Oh, yes.

Whereas other people –

He was interested in the communism and he sent his son, Zhang Jingguo, to Russia to study.

And actually his son was hostage up there.

He married a Russian.

And that's one of the reasons you don't have a Jiang dynasty because these children are not 100% Han, right?

Because their mom's Russian.

However, as he learned more about it, because initially he's interested in that, he's interested in fascism as well and how you organize a society.

And he studied in Japan, knew a great deal about how the Japanese had done things.

I think military education there as well.

But then he starts realizing how dangerous they are.

He was accurate.

He did not want to fight the Japanese at all.

And he was forced to by Chinese students, among others, and a lot of the urban elite that he depended on, who were horrified with what Japan was doing.

But Chiang Kai-shek knew you only take on one enemy at a time.

You'll become overwhelmed if you do.