Sarah Paine

What were they doing there?

So then you're asking for tender mercies out of Americans for the Japanese in those days?

No.

After all that had happened.

So, yeah, it's ugly by the time you've killed this many people, the kind of bitterness on both sides.

Yeah, it was the secret part.

Yeah.

They were the ones who knew about demining.

We had a big military drawdown after the end of World War II, and the Navy really got cut back because it was going to be all nuclear weapons, and the Air Force was going to deliver, so the Navy didn't get a whole bunch of things that it cared about, including minesweepers.

So when the North Koreans are throwing a lot of mines around, it's Japanese that are

It was secret.

That's why you don't know about it.

It's not your fault.

It came out in research that's recent.

And another thing, when MacArthur does his Inchon landings, it's very tricky because the tides are... I don't know how many feet.

It's like 30-foot tides.

It's enormous.

So you can really get stuck on mudflats if you don't time that right and have to know where you're going.

Who are the pilots who bring it all in?

It's Japanese.