Sarah Paine

And then they move into heavy.

but they've already got people on bicycles and they got textiles and other things up and running.

And that would also apply to Taiwan and Korea.

And they do, by all means, they do get heavy industry, but that's not the starter program.

The starter program is basic standard of living.

And it turns out, and I don't know economists, but it turns out if you just look at who's rich and who's not, that that seems to be the more workable thing.

It's more exciting than that.

And again, I'm not an economist, but apparently they missed the plastics revolution, where, I mean, think about our own laws.

Now we're finding we have too many plastics.

But plastic's an incredible material, and they're just missing that.

I remember in Russia trying to figure out where to get sour cream and was being laughed at by Russians because I was so stupid in the store that I couldn't find it.

Well, we have little plastic tubs with the sour cream.

Back in the late 80s when I was there, you had to bring your glass jar with you so you could hand it over the counter so someone could take a filthy ladle and fill up your jar.

I mean, this is part of not having plastics.

And then they totally missed the computer revolution.

And that is—this plays into Ronald Reagan winning the military race, is we're putting these chips and things into our ballistic missiles.

And they can't do that.

And that's a problem.

I don't know, but they wouldn't have been able to do all the Africa program and things.

It just would be too expensive.