Sarah Paine

And I'm like, oh, great, U.S.

Navy.

This will be a joke, me telling them about World War II Pacific.

Because I'm a historian, major field Russia, a minor field China, and I've dabbled in Japan, and now I'm supposed to talk about this.

And so my husband said, well, hey, I've taught this survey of Japan.

Read this Bushido stuff.

And he had some of the books hanging around the house.

So I read that, and then I had read some basic things about World War II.

And then I just – this is why I'm telling you I think it's a useful way to –

approach other cultures is read what they read.

What are the key books?

And apparently these were key books.

And then you go, okay, if I believe this, then I'm going to take Western analysis.

Rather than mirror imaging, I'm going to basically take their software, put it in here, and my brain, and then say, okay, does this inform me of what they're doing in the

Oh, yeah, that actually makes sense now.

Instead of saying, what are these nut jobs doing?

And it's everyone.

No, no, actually, if you believe these things, then this would explain how you're doing things.

So that's how that all came about.

A, this institutional rivalry is terrible all over the place, but there's more concepts that are useful.