Sarah Paine

You're not thinking of under the czars, Russia doing high-end manufacturers.

I mean, I guess Fabergé and some jewelry if you want to do that.

But really, that's not it.

And so it doesn't have this commercial being tied into of this commercial tradition of Western Europe and all the sea routes for trade.

And so then when you get the communists, they aren't about that at all.

So there's really a dearth of knowledge.

Think about...

In this country, with all the little kids selling lemonade, right?

You see them on the streets.

They're already learning.

Or the kids who are doing newspaper routes, they're already learning about buying things, selling things.

And we just take this knowledge for granted.

It's just absent.

It was absent in the Soviet Union.

And not as much absent in Eastern Europe that had been more connected in.

Well, A, there's so much that needs reforming there.

But part of it, I think, because he wanted to do political reforms, that's what he understands.

As a human being, that would be the thing that he's very familiar with.

Think about it.

He's like an A-list member of the Communist Party to be the guy when they do generational change.