Sarah Paine

They straddle Iran and Pakistan, don't particularly like being told what to do.

So apparently India's supposed to have put its finger on that scale.

The other thing the Pakistanis accuse Indians of doing is encouraging a Pashtun insurgency up north.

And that would be a way of diverting Pakistani attentions from Kashmir.

If they're totally busy with Pashtuns, they can do less in Kashmir.

But the result of these things is people are becoming more and more bitter.

The hatreds just spike.

The economic growth isn't happening.

Poverty everywhere.

And it makes these problems more intractable, not less.

So when I think about these frozen conflicts, there are a number of ones that you know about besides Kashmir.

There's Korea.

There's Palestine.

So if you look at Kashmir, if I've got it right, so you fund that thing, and then what's great from China's point of view, if Pakistan is doing that, India is frozen, that it can't do other things because it's constantly paying attention to what's going on in Kashmir, as opposed to go, hmm, China, I don't know about this.

And or in the Korean War back in the day, if things are all stirred up in Korea, China has to really pay attention to that.

And it delays the rise of China.

And in those days, that benefited Russia.

But these things can change over time as to who the beneficiary is.

And then you can play this game and think about how it works in Palestine.

And I'm no...