Sarah Paine

And now for India, its primary adversary is China, without a doubt.

And the United States, I think, is looking that China poses the primary threat.

And to the extent that both of them see it that way, that will make them align.

And Pakistan less so.

Well, we tried to choose India, too.

But, yeah, we tried to do them simultaneously.

But India's further south, right?

And so for a long time, before we got satellite imagery, you want to have listening posts and things up in Pakistan.

So India just simply doesn't have the location for that.

So that was the original reason for interest in Pakistan.

I think go back and put yourself as a generation of what your life experience was.

If your life experience was World War I, the total butchery of it.

So you're telling...

young men your age, go, ah, you're in a trench.

I want you to go up and over the edge onto oncoming machine gun fire.

We know what's going to happen when that happens, right?

And they're literally in battles like the Somme.

They're losing hundreds of thousands of people.

I don't mean casualties.

I mean dead, dead.