Sarah Paine

and particularly Britain, it's merchants.

They've got a big aristocracy who are not going to dirty themselves with buying and selling stuff, but there are a tremendous number of very rich merchants in Britain that are going to influence government laws and things, which is not going to take place.

And then what's nice about the Navy for Britain is you send them away.

They're not going to run a coup in the capital because they're off on the ship somewhere, and there aren't that many of them compared to a standing army.

So I suspect...

I can't prove this, that this leads to different outcomes or contributes to.

Well, there's no legal system, and you need a legal system.

And legal systems take a long time to develop.

So you're telling the Soviet Union, okay, communism is down, and now we need a, like Chop Chop, we need a new...

legal system.

It's not going to happen.

They're desperate, right?

Think about it.

If you're a communist leader, how many other cards are there to play?

You're looking, okay, this is the only card I got.

And they're doing other things because of social unrest.

They want to import food and consumer products because they've been so neglected these things.

And then there's another piece, which is...

VCRs, you know, the videos, all of a sudden those things came around.

I remember this, so we're in Soviet Union, the academic year of 1988, 89, and had one of my classmates had been an English language tutor of this person in Moscow and set me up because that was the only way to get a good meal once a week.