Sarah Paine

So it's very difficult.

And then people like Putin can set the clock way back because he's killed so many Ukrainians.

What he's done will take a generation minimum to get to anywhere where people are going to be thinking about... People will be talking about reparations from Russia for quite a while.

And they're poor.

They're not going to want to do that.

But... Well, history's ended, okay?

Well, actually, I've told a story about the last Cold War that stayed cold in the industrialized world, which was a good thing because it would have been nuclear.

It was tragic in many other parts of the world, but at least it stayed cold in the industrialized part.

And there was a strategy that a very thoughtful generation of people, not just in the United States—

but all over the West that put it together to allow for a non-nuclear landing for the Soviet Union when it fell apart.

And I've laid out some of the, from this you can derive some of the strategies that worked for ending it that way.

And these are the kind of strategies that we're going to have to use in order to navigate the second Cold War.

And so the other piece about the Cold War is, okay, the Soviet Union's living, they're living miserable lives of their own making.

But Americans were actually having a good time.

They paid taxes.

They had to pay for all the nuclear weapons.

But as I recall, people are running around in Disneyland.

They're doing their European trips.

They're buying houses.

And so actually, Americans, people in Western Europe, were actually living fulfilling lives while they're waiting out for