Sarah Spain
Appearances
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Second Date Update: Boob Tube Experiment
The rule is that you leave. You G-O when I said I got to go to bed. Yeah.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Second Date Update: Boob Tube Experiment
need you to understand this. It's not your house. So I'm going to need you to come and get this TV, alright? If you want it, I'm putting it outside, but I am done with this.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Second Date Update: Boob Tube Experiment
Can I help you? Sorry.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Second Date Update: Boob Tube Experiment
I've had several dates. I don't know who you're talking about.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Second Date Update: Boob Tube Experiment
Yeah, Kyle. Oh, God.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Second Date Update: Boob Tube Experiment
He must be truly obtuse. Oh, my gosh. Obtuse?
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Second Date Update: Boob Tube Experiment
Okay, have y'all ever had somebody buy you a TV on a first date?
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Second Date Update: Boob Tube Experiment
I mean, it was thoughtful, but I didn't know that it was getting ready to come with all these things. Okay, he's putting it up on the wall.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Second Date Update: Boob Tube Experiment
If you call, you want the story, you're about to get the story. Okay. Oh, I'm excited.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Second Date Update: Boob Tube Experiment
Yes. And while he's installing and everything, he's like, I'm really into sports. And I'm like, Oh, okay, great. And everything.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Second Date Update: Boob Tube Experiment
Yeah. So after it's all set up, he kicks off his shoes and turns on the game.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Second Date Update: Boob Tube Experiment
And so he's just watching a basketball game. And then he says, hey, can you get some snacks for us?
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Second Date Update: Boob Tube Experiment
After one day... Yeah.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Second Date Update: Boob Tube Experiment
Oh, right. Yeah. Okay. So he's so geeked up. He was like, man, the resolution, like the picture. Oh, this was a perfect place on the wall. And he's still watching the game and everything. It's a late night game. And so I was like, well, I'm going to bed.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Second Date Update: Boob Tube Experiment
He didn't get the hint? No, he did not get the hint. Oh, God. And I wake up. He's gotten so comfortable. He done went to the kitchen, made him a bowl of cereal, and is watching a pickleball tournament.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Second Date Update: Boob Tube Experiment
Well, I guess the only time that I saw him was later on in the day when I got home from work. Wait, he stayed in my apartment all day.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Second Date Update: Boob Tube Experiment
Are you kidding me? This is going way too far.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Second Date Update: Boob Tube Experiment
So, no, you didn't consider me at all. And the fact that you're in my house all day after I told you I'm going to bed, I got to go to work. You don't watch TV. You don't eat pizza. And I'm going to set it outside. Wait, wait, wait.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Second Date Update: Eyes Closed Mouth Open
Brought to you by Novartis, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports Network. Hey, all you women's hoops fans and folks who just don't know yet that they're women's hoops fans. We've got a big week over at Good Game with Sarah Spain as we near the end of one of the most exciting women's college basketball seasons ever.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Second Date Update: Eyes Closed Mouth Open
The most parody we've seen in years with games coming down to the wire and everyone wondering which team will be crowned national champions this weekend in Tampa. Listen to Good Game with Sarah Spain on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Second Date Update: Eyes Closed Mouth Open
Hey, all you women's hoops fans and folks who just don't know yet that they're women's hoops fans. We've got a big week over at Good Game with Sarah Spain as we near the end of one of the most exciting women's college basketball seasons ever.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Second Date Update: Eyes Closed Mouth Open
The most parody we've seen in years with games coming down to the wire and everyone wondering which team will be crowned national champions this weekend in Tampa. Listen to Good Game with Sarah Spain on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Second Date Update: Eyes Closed Mouth Open
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Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Awkward Tuesday: I Quit For You
Brought to you by Novartis, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports Network. Hey, all you women's hoops fans and folks who just don't know yet that they're women's hoops fans. We've got a big week over at Good Game with Sarah Spain as we near the end of one of the most exciting women's college basketball seasons ever.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Awkward Tuesday: I Quit For You
The most parody we've seen in years with games coming down to the wire and everyone wondering which team will be crowned national champions this weekend in Tampa. Listen to Good Game with Sarah Spain on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Awkward Tuesday: I Quit For You
Brought to you by Novartis, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports Network. Hey, all you women's hoops fans and folks who just don't know yet that they're women's hoops fans. We've got a big week over at Good Game with Sarah Spain as we near the end of one of the most exciting women's college basketball seasons ever.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Awkward Tuesday: I Quit For You
The most parody we've seen in years with games coming down to the wire and everyone wondering which team will be crowned national champions this weekend in Tampa. Listen to Good Game with Sarah Spain on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Awkward Tuesday: A.I Fail
Hey, all you women's hoops fans and folks who just don't know yet that they're women's hoops fans. We've got a big week over at Good Game with Sarah Spain as we near the end of one of the most exciting women's college basketball seasons ever.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Awkward Tuesday: A.I Fail
Nerds all together. Brooke and Jeffrey in the morning. Hey, all you women's hoops fans and folks who just don't know yet that they're women's hoops fans. We've got a big week over at Good Game with Sarah Spain as we near the end of one of the most exciting women's college basketball seasons ever.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Awkward Tuesday: A.I Fail
The most parody we've seen in years with games coming down to the wire and everyone wondering which team will be crowned national champions this weekend in Tampa. Listen to Good Game with Sarah Spain on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Awkward Tuesday: A.I Fail
The most parody we've seen in years with games coming down to the wire and everyone wondering which team will be crowned national champions this weekend in Tampa. Listen to Good Game with Sarah Spain on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Second Date Update UPDATE: Carjitsu Crazy
Hey, all you women's hoops fans and folks who just don't know yet that they're women's hoops fans. We've got a big week over at Good Game with Sarah Spain as we near the end of one of the most exciting women's college basketball seasons ever.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Second Date Update UPDATE: Carjitsu Crazy
The most parody we've seen in years with games coming down to the wire and everyone wondering which team will be crowned national champions this weekend in Tampa. Listen to Good Game with Sarah Spain on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Second Date Update UPDATE: Carjitsu Crazy
Brought to you by Novartis, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports Network. Hey, all you women's hoops fans and folks who just don't know yet that they're women's hoops fans. We've got a big week over at Good Game with Sarah Spain as we near the end of one of the most exciting women's college basketball seasons ever.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Second Date Update UPDATE: Carjitsu Crazy
The most parody we've seen in years with games coming down to the wire and everyone wondering which team will be crowned national champions this weekend in Tampa. Listen to Good Game with Sarah Spain on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Second Date Update UPDATE: Carjitsu Crazy
Brought to you by Novartis, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports Network.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Closure Call: Case of the Missing Roommate
Hey, all you women's hoops fans and folks who just don't know yet that they're women's hoops fans. We've got a big week over at Good Game with Sarah Spain as we near the end of one of the most exciting women's college basketball seasons ever.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Closure Call: Case of the Missing Roommate
The most parody we've seen in years with games coming down to the wire and everyone wondering which team will be crowned national champions this weekend in Tampa. Listen to Good Game with Sarah Spain on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Closure Call: Case of the Missing Roommate
Hey, all you women's hoops fans and folks who just don't know yet that they're women's hoops fans. We've got a big week over at Good Game with Sarah Spain as we near the end of one of the most exciting women's college basketball seasons ever.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Closure Call: Case of the Missing Roommate
The most parody we've seen in years with games coming down to the wire and everyone wondering which team will be crowned national champions this weekend in Tampa. Listen to Good Game with Sarah Spain on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Closure Call: Case of the Missing Roommate
Brought to you by Novartis, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports Network.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Closure Call: Case of the Missing Roommate
Brought to you by Novartis, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports Network.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Second Date Update: High Stakes Higher Stacks
Hey, all you women's hoops fans and folks who just don't know yet that they're women's hoops fans. We've got a big week over at Good Game with Sarah Spain as we near the end of one of the most exciting women's college basketball seasons ever.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Second Date Update: High Stakes Higher Stacks
The most parody we've seen in years with games coming down to the wire and everyone wondering which team will be crowned national champions this weekend in Tampa. Listen to Good Game with Sarah Spain on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Second Date Update: High Stakes Higher Stacks
Hey, all you women's hoops fans and folks who just don't know yet that they're women's hoops fans. We've got a big week over at Good Game with Sarah Spain as we near the end of one of the most exciting women's college basketball seasons ever.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Second Date Update: High Stakes Higher Stacks
The most parody we've seen in years with games coming down to the wire and everyone wondering which team will be crowned national champions this weekend in Tampa. Listen to Good Game with Sarah Spain on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Second Date Update: Be Excellent and Be Thirsty
Brought to you by Novartis, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports Network.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Second Date Update: Be Excellent and Be Thirsty
Brought to you by Novartis, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports Network. Hey, all you women's hoops fans and folks who just don't know yet that they're women's hoops fans. We've got a big week over at Good Game with Sarah Spain as we near the end of one of the most exciting women's college basketball seasons ever.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Second Date Update: Be Excellent and Be Thirsty
The most parody we've seen in years with games coming down to the wire and everyone wondering which team will be crowned national champions this weekend in Tampa. Listen to Good Game with Sarah Spain on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Second Date Update: Don't Take Me Out To The Ballgame
Hey, all you women's hoops fans and folks who just don't know yet that they're women's hoops fans. We've got a big week over at Good Game with Sarah Spain as we near the end of one of the most exciting women's college basketball seasons ever.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Second Date Update: Don't Take Me Out To The Ballgame
The most parody we've seen in years with games coming down to the wire and everyone wondering which team will be crowned national champions this weekend in Tampa. Listen to Good Game with Sarah Spain on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Second Date Update: Don't Take Me Out To The Ballgame
Hey, all you women's hoops fans and folks who just don't know yet that they're women's hoops fans. We've got a big week over at Good Game with Sarah Spain as we near the end of one of the most exciting women's college basketball seasons ever.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Second Date Update: Don't Take Me Out To The Ballgame
The most parody we've seen in years with games coming down to the wire and everyone wondering which team will be crowned national champions this weekend in Tampa. Listen to Good Game with Sarah Spain on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Second Date Update: Don't Take Me Out To The Ballgame
Brought to you by Novartis, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports Network.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Second Date Update: Don't Take Me Out To The Ballgame
Brought to you by Novartis, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports Network.
My Friend Daisy
Episode 1 - Sitting Ducks
Hey, all you women's hoops fans and folks who just don't know yet that they're women's hoops fans. We've got a big week over at Good Game with Sarah Spain as we near the end of one of the most exciting women's college basketball seasons ever.
My Friend Daisy
Episode 1 - Sitting Ducks
The most parody we've seen in years with games coming down to the wire and everyone wondering which team will be crowned national champions this weekend in Tampa. Listen to Good Game with Sarah Spain on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
One Yard at a Time: A Mystery
Well, I am worried about you after you did that interview where you said some of your articles, you actually changed the words in sentences so that the ends of them would line up in a paragraph so it looked nice. I was like, oh, he should never write a book.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
One Yard at a Time: A Mystery
Well, everyone was convinced he was getting drafted. This was a guy whose numbers were up there with the top running back prospects. And he was sitting with his agent on draft night watching, expecting to be called, you know, maybe third or fourth round.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
One Yard at a Time: A Mystery
The Cincinnati Bengals call him early in the draft and they're like, hey man, you excited? He's like, yeah. And they're like, all right, we're thinking about you. He's like, whoa, okay. He doesn't get drafted. A couple teams call right when the draft ends and, you know, extend the training camp offers. He ends up with the Bengals. It is the best situation because of their depth chart.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
One Yard at a Time: A Mystery
He is going to make the surprise move of an undrafted guy making that roster. He's leading the NFL in preseason rushing yards.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
One Yard at a Time: A Mystery
Every kind of damage, you know, compound fracture, MCLAC, all that stuff. And he, over the next couple of years, really puts his time in to try to make it back to the NFL. Then the CFL, and at one point even gives a little time to the XFL. The XFL.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
One Yard at a Time: A Mystery
He really wanted to try to make it work as a player. But ultimately, this guy just keeps getting handed a tough deal and finding a way through it, finding resilience. And he actually wanted to get into education to help kids who had come up in tough times like he did. So while he's trying to make it in football, he's working his way at residential centers for at-risk youth.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
One Yard at a Time: A Mystery
Then he goes into teaching and he's trying to help kids and then he becomes a principal. So like all these ways he's trying to learn how to be an impactful male figure in the lives of young people, especially those who have tough childhoods. And football starts sneaking its way and everybody hears that he was the big football player.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
One Yard at a Time: A Mystery
So he starts coaching and he realizes he can use football to uplift kids and make it even more compelling for them to want to stay in school and learn these lessons by using this sport that he loves.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
One Yard at a Time: A Mystery
Well, football pulls him back. And of course, he ends up at Miami of Ohio is where he gets his first college coaching gig. And he's not there for too long. He has pretty immediate success, gets recruited to go coach at Indiana, has success there, helps a couple running backs to the NFL. And he gets nominated for Coach of the Year honors.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
One Yard at a Time: A Mystery
And he starts doing some coaching internships in the NFL and really starts to set his sights on some bigger programs and the opportunities at the pro level. He ends up doing one of his coaching internships actually with the Seattle Seahawks, which is where Coach Sherman Smith was, coaching under Pete Carroll. And he gets a chance to really use his skill set.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
One Yard at a Time: A Mystery
In some of the other internships, they kind of just had him watch, but Coach Sherman Smith puts him right in there. And he starts to recognize pretty immediately, Dillon does, that his coaching style is really similar to his old coach. He really picked up a lot of messages from him as, I'm going to be a role model and a leader. I'm going to treat these guys like full human beings.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
One Yard at a Time: A Mystery
I'm not trying to scare them into anything. I'm going to give them respect and they're going to give me respect in turn. The guys think that he's being a giant kiss ass, that he's just really trying to impress everyone and show them that he's deserving of a spot in the NFL. And they're making fun of him for copying everything Sherman does. You walk like him, you talk like him, you want to be him.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
One Yard at a Time: A Mystery
And he kind of is at first a little embarrassed. And then he realizes, I don't care if they know that this is how bad I want it. And he literally starts changing his passwords to I will coach in the NFL. He's trying to like manifest it that hard.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
One Yard at a Time: A Mystery
USC comes calling, one of the greatest programs in all of college football history. So he's on a plane with his family. He's got kids at this point and ends up in Southern California. And he is getting some major side eye when he arrives. He's got some very unique coaching styles. He likes to fill footballs with water. to make them really heavy and harder to hold.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
One Yard at a Time: A Mystery
And then when you get back to the normal football, you're clenching it tighter. He's got a big pylon with a stick, and he's jabbing guys as they're trying to run by to poke the ball out to get them to practice holding on. And that running back's crew is ready to go, and he has yet another really successful squad.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
One Yard at a Time: A Mystery
And he realizes there's still a part of him that very much wants to know who he is. And he starts looking on websites and sort of isn't fully committed. And then there's a moment that his mom calls him where the lawyer that helped her facilitate his adoption has passed away and she can get a box of records from his office.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
One Yard at a Time: A Mystery
Things like the orphanage where you were adopted. And he's like, wait, an orphanage?
Pablo Torre Finds Out
One Yard at a Time: A Mystery
She reveals his name was originally John. And he said, why? Why John? She said, I don't know. It's maybe religious or something. Who knows?
Pablo Torre Finds Out
One Yard at a Time: A Mystery
And so first he starts looking in Ohio and ultimately is able to get the call back that they found his papers. But the woman on the other end says, I can't tell you them. I can't send them to you. And he says, what do you mean? And he realizes that she's holding papers for a different state. You remember I said his mom said Pittsburgh. That's where we went to pick up Dylan when we adopted him.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
One Yard at a Time: A Mystery
So even though he grew up in Ohio, he was actually born and adopted in Pennsylvania and the laws were different in that state.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
One Yard at a Time: A Mystery
Well, first he is sort of surprised at how thin the envelope is and figures it must be something telling him they couldn't find it. And imagine getting the mail and it's like, you know, 10% off at Bed Bath & Beyond and then your birth certificate. Like that's how unassuming this letter was.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
One Yard at a Time: A Mystery
Yeah, so the protagonist and co-author, his name's Dillon McCullough. He is currently the Raiders running backs coach.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
One Yard at a Time: A Mystery
So they all start Googling. He plugs in Carol D. Briggs in a couple places and ends up finding her, sends her a message on Facebook, and essentially just says, did you have a baby that you gave up for adoption in Pennsylvania in 1971?
Pablo Torre Finds Out
One Yard at a Time: A Mystery
And at first she accepts the message but doesn't answer. And then he sends a follow-up question mark.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
One Yard at a Time: A Mystery
So she had been a 16-year-old honor student, had had an oopsie, and her family sent her off to an orphanage slash home for mothers and girls in Pennsylvania to have the baby in private, be pregnant in private, and then go back to school with no one the wiser. She didn't tell anyone but her parents and her one cousin.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
One Yard at a Time: A Mystery
She didn't even tell the dad because he was already off to college and she felt responsible.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
One Yard at a Time: A Mystery
Probably passed him in the aisles at the grocery store. They were in the exact same place. And it just happened to be that the family that adopted him out of Pennsylvania was a family that lived in Youngstown.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
One Yard at a Time: A Mystery
At first, he thinks, well, wait, if you're in Youngstown, do I have siblings? Like, I might know them, right? If you had other kids, I might have grown up with them. Who else in my family might I have known? And she did not get married. She didn't have any other kids. And she'd been looking for him for years.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
One Yard at a Time: A Mystery
And it's just really heartwarming how much joy she felt in not only finding out he was okay and successful, but now she has a son and grandkids and this extended family.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
One Yard at a Time: A Mystery
Yeah. He says, it doesn't list a father on my birth certificate. And he asks her, do you know who my father is?
Pablo Torre Finds Out
One Yard at a Time: A Mystery
He was most recently with Notre Dame, helping them to the national championship. Previous to that, famously with the Kansas City Chiefs, helped them to a Super Bowl.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
One Yard at a Time: A Mystery
Right. He's nervous about it and isn't sure what to say, but he asks his birth mom, Carol, if he can be the one to tell him.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
One Yard at a Time: A Mystery
45 years later, he's going to get a phone call from someone who says, I'm your son, that he knows.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
One Yard at a Time: A Mystery
He's spent his entire life wondering about his birth parents. But for Sherman, it's zero to 45-year-old son with no warning. He hasn't been looking for that. He has a happy wife and family and kids. But he almost doesn't want to imagine that he could be the kind of person who made a choice that resulted in other people having to be responsible.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
One Yard at a Time: A Mystery
He had always told his players, there's no such thing as irresponsibility. When you're irresponsible, someone else becomes responsible for what you didn't do. He has led a life leading young men and telling them how to be. And then he recognizes that he might not have been the guy he always thought he was. And so at first, he's not overjoyed the way Dylan would hope. He needs some time.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
One Yard at a Time: A Mystery
And then he starts thinking about how the story isn't his, it's Dillon's. How Dillon has spent his whole life looking for this piece of himself and how he needed to stop centering himself and consider what it meant to Dillon to find him and really consider that it could be true. They get a paternity test. It's 99.9999999%.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
One Yard at a Time: A Mystery
And as he's waiting for those results, he realizes that he will, in fact, be very sad if he is not his father. By this point, he's come around to the idea that they've had this connection, that this story is almost faded.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
One Yard at a Time: A Mystery
It isn't crystallized until they see each other in person for the first time after knowing their connection as father-son. Dillon's actually got recruiting trips that allow him to get near Tennessee and where Sherman lives in retirement and goes there for the very first time to see his dad as his dad. There's this just incredible moment, and I cry every time I think about it. I cried writing it.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
One Yard at a Time: A Mystery
I cried the first time Dylan said it. But Dylan goes to see him for the first time in person after they know of their connection as father-son. And he's nervous and sitting in the car, and Sherman looks out the window and sees him sitting, and he's like, oh, this cat's nervous. Like, he's just sitting out in his car, not coming up, even though we've known each other for years.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
One Yard at a Time: A Mystery
His adoptive dad left when he's two. He hasn't had a dad since. And he didn't realize how much he was carrying feelings of, am I enough? Am I worthy? Does someone want to claim me? And for this man, this ideal of a person to embrace him and call him his son, he just sort of let his inner child release and cry and be embraced by this man.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
One Yard at a Time: A Mystery
It's been joyful, mostly, and also complicated. And for me, doing the story the first time, we did a lot of work on it, but nothing like writing a book. So the hours and hours of interviews, all the people I talk to, all the detail I unravel. And I mean, there's a twist with his brother that I didn't know the first time I reported it.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
One Yard at a Time: A Mystery
that I think is day one stuff if I was talking to someone and his brother didn't think it was day one stuff. So I didn't find out till I start writing the book that there's a whole nother parental twist that goes on in his family, even before what happens with his dad. And so you have to read the book for that. There's a tease that we're not giving away in this interview.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
One Yard at a Time: A Mystery
But yeah, as I'm doing more of these interviews and I'm talking to everyone in the family, I am working so hard to understand each perspective. You've got an adoptive mom in Adele who sacrificed so much to raise these two boys as a single mom, thinking that she was going to have this partner in AC, the radio DJ, and instead she's alone, post-industrial collapse, not a lot of money.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
One Yard at a Time: A Mystery
And they turn out so well. They become these successful young men. And then here come these birth parents who have a lot of judgment at first about what he went through as a kid. They wanted the best for him. Both Sherman as someone who cared about him and had met him as a young man, and then Carol who gave him away with the expectation he would end up in a two-family home.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
One Yard at a Time: A Mystery
I wasn't familiar with him either, but a friend of mine in Chicago here played college football with him, which is how the story came to me. Sort of out of the blue and out of nowhere, he sat me down when we were grabbing drinks. I was like, oh, I got to tell you this crazy story. And within probably less than three minutes of the story, chills, almost in tears.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
One Yard at a Time: A Mystery
everything would be this idyllic setting you imagine, an adoptive family that really wants a baby and can't have one of their own. And instead, he has this really tough childhood. And so it's almost a role reversal of a lot of adoption stories you hear, right? Where the birth parents are struggling or fighting something, they give up a baby and here come the saviors to fix everything.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
One Yard at a Time: A Mystery
And instead, you've got these two incredible, well-adjusted, successful adults looking at this woman who did her very best, but still struggled at times. And so to really understand like what he got from Adele, his adoptive mom, and then what almost certainly came to him through DNA, how similar he is to Sherman, even though they didn't meet until he was 17 years old.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
One Yard at a Time: A Mystery
And even though he was in his life as a mentor, but not all the time, like how he became, I mean, the same exact life.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
One Yard at a Time: A Mystery
won a Super Bowl, lost a Super Bowl, both of them to Tom Brady, had sons, son goes to Miami of Ohio, plays defensive back, is a teacher. It's just, it's remarkable.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
One Yard at a Time: A Mystery
Yeah, I mean, he just took a job with the Raiders, and he is now coaching under the boy wonder who I guess never ages and retires, Pete Carroll, who could be both the head coach of his dad as a running backs coach and now the head coach of Dylan with the Raiders.
Pablo Torre Finds Out
One Yard at a Time: A Mystery
And I was like, oh, we got to do something with this.
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One Yard at a Time: A Mystery
And so understanding that we are both a product of what made us and also of everything around us also implies choice, which is like the through line of this book is yes, you are handed certain genes.
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Yes, you are handed certain family, certain circumstances, but your choice at every turn impacts whether you make it out, whether you make it right, whether you make it good, whether like Dylan, you decide to end a bunch of cycles that you don't think serve you or your kids. I don't want to be a father who abandons his family. I don't want to be abusive.
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I don't want to be somebody who doesn't stick around. I want to be the opposite of what I saw. And I think especially with adoption, that's very poignant because with adoption, it's I could be anyone. I could live anywhere. I could be named anything. Like instead, he said at every turn, I'm in charge and this is my choice.
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Well, and here's your final fun fact. Two of the executive producers on the film we are planning to make but have not yet signed a studio to are Russell Wilson and Sierra. Just like Sir Mix-a-Lot, I'm just dropping that in.
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And guess what? The potential for this film is unlimited. Oh, my God.
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Gosh, he does know what I'm up to. He used to be a regular listener to Spain and Fitz on ESPN Radio.
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I remember that I posted about the car and it being Sir Mix-a-Lot's on Twitter and tagged him. I don't think he responded, though. I remember the last exchange I had with Sir Mix-a-Lot was, not surprisingly, about butts.
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Yes, that Twitter exchange is not in the book, but lots of other good stuff is. So, you know, read it, buy it, order it, tell your friends.
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He's adopted by a young couple who's very much in love that already have a son welcomed to the family. And the dad is this guy named A.C. McCullough, who's a popular local radio DJ in Youngstown.
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The guy who would announce on the radio if there was a snow day. The guy who would introduce you to the latest Top 40 hit. And you'd get to hear the song for the first time. This is the 70s and 80s that he starts out. So the radio, in particular local radio, was such a huge part of people's everyday life. Yes. All right.
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So after some of the local concerts in Youngstown, folks would come over to their house for after parties to get a late night home-cooked meal and keep the party going. So Dillon was around, Tiny Tim. Very old-fashioned now for young people. There would always be stacks of tickets to a variety of local bands or concerts that were happening in their house.
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But after about two years, the couple doesn't make it. He leaves. And for Dylan, there's a particular pain in the fact that he hears his father's voice every day on the radio, but his father wants nothing to do with him in life. And then his mother brings in another husband, some other boyfriends, really hoping to provide a father figure, but her choices never really match her intentions.
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And they are abusive. One of them has a crack problem.
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You need to understand that there were so many people struggling in Youngstown, trying to pay for heat and electricity, trying to put food on the table, trying to stay out of jail. People around him were struggling with so many big things. And so, Dillon, how long has he known that he is adopted? At about seven years old, he's sitting on the floor at a friend's house.
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His mom is talking with friends, and he's playing with a toy, and he overhears his mom say, Pittsburgh. That's where we went to get Dillon when we adopted him. And he says, I'm adopted? Yeah. And she says, yep, and then goes back to her conversation. And they try to talk about it again in the car very briefly and she sort of shuts it down.
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And it becomes pretty clear to him that it's not really something to talk about. And for him, there was not really the privilege of, let me do some navel gazing about my identity and where I come from, right? It's like, how do I get by today and tomorrow and the next day? And how does my family get by? So he really didn't talk about it with his mom again for 30 years.
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Yeah, that was my response when I first heard the story. It was pretty much holy f***.
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Well, yeah, his brother actually plays football too, and he's quite good. And at first he's in the shadow of his brother. He grew up so shy. And because he had so much self-doubt, he sort of was okay being in the background on the football team. He just liked being out there.
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And then from somewhere within himself is this drive to work harder than everyone.
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He had been both a running back and a defensive back in high school, and there was a great running back ahead of him for most of his career. So he was sort of like, oh, I'm just not good enough. That guy graduates, and all of a sudden he gets a lot more touches and is blowing people out of the water as a senior.
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Bob Stoops is trying to come after him. Jim Trestle. Guys who are now essentially Hall of Famers, but were at the beginning of their careers. There's this moment, too, for him where he's deeply embarrassed by his family's situation. He understands how hard it is for his mom, but he also...
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is so embarrassed to have these big-name coaches in his living room where they have a giant orange extension cord snaking out of the house, through the window, and into their neighbors to borrow electricity because they can't afford it. They don't have hot water.
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He doesn't have a phone until his senior year, which becomes very important as he's taking recruiting calls that they actually do have a working phone. So he's sitting in class, and he looks out the window, and he sees this cherry-apple-red Mercedes
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And a moment later, he gets a pink slip to go to the office, and the guy that came out of the car was actually there to see him.
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Sherman Smith had played for the Seahawks and stayed after to coach and had just left Seattle for Miami of Ohio to go coach at his alma mater, and he drove out this car that he bought from an up-and-coming rapper named Sir Mix-a-Lot.
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Yeah, yeah, me too. But yeah, he goes to the office and meets this guy Sherman, and he realizes that this aura is coming from someone who had really made it, was from Youngstown, was like him, but had gone on to the NFL. And now he was talking to a guy that had been a star at the highest level and who believed that he might be that too.
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Actually, I've been joking. I am throwing myself a book baby shower wherein I buy myself a push present. Because honestly, and though the labor maybe wasn't as painful as a human baby, but at the beginning I was like, to quote you earlier, holy shit, why did I choose to do this?
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Well, Sherman drives back to Youngstown to pick them up and then takes them there over Christmas break. And a lot of folks are home, but there's a couple teammates around. Introduced him to the rest of the coaching staff, walked him around. Like, he loved this school, the facilities, the campus.
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And then also the character that Sherman showed Adele, Dillon's adoptive mom, just a good guy who cared about his education, wanted to be a good role model for him. That really impacted them too. Adele wanted to make sure he went somewhere that if he got hurt or if it didn't work out, he still got an education.
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Well, he's going to be a running back. And so in the weeks before he arrives, they tell him, we're actually going to put you at flanker. He's going to get a lot of playing time. And he was in practice one day. They're getting ready for their last kind of scrimmage.
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And so we went to meet with Sherman Smith and said, I'd rather take a redshirt year and really work to be a running back than be a flanker. So we did that. He actually stepped away from playing time to get to do the thing he wanted to do most, which meant being on the scout team, being a redshirt, and having to sit and watch for a whole season.
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Just a real player's coach, an inspiring guy with really high standards, extremely high standards. He would say to every team at the beginning of the season, None of you asked me to be a father, but I'm going to treat you like you're my sons. He cared as much about how do I make these players full human beings that are going to be successful in life as he did about the football side.
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And so even though Dillon is mostly working with assistants because the starters are the ones who get most of the time with the running backs coach and the head coach, he still goes after practice and spends a lot of time just connecting with Sherman and really asking him for advice.
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And he doesn't want to go at first, but the rest of the coaching staff says, like, this is a great opportunity. You got to go.
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hey, if this works, then maybe we could also take the characters from In Living Color and put them in the Pepsi Challenge. And so we'll take like Homie the Clown and do some Pepsi Challenge spots with Homie the Clown.
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And we'll take, you know, the Men On guys and put them in some Pepsi Challenge things, which now is a thing that you see more commonly, where you do see like sketch characters from SNL. All the time. being used in commercials. This was the proto of that. But the live in living color, they were so disruptive and so like... It's insane to watch it.
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Ich meine, dieses Show ist nur, was du herauskommst. Es geht nicht darum, was du gefragt hast.
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They pushed the boundary so far, one of which making a joke about Richard Gere, that there was... Oh my God, yes. There at the time, there had been a... We all grew up with the gerbil story.
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Sure, yes. But there might be younger audience members who are not familiar with this, but there was a time where it had been intimated that Richard Gere had gotten intimate with a gerbil. Well, the gerbil had gotten into Richard Gere, I think.
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Ja, ja. Als, als, als ein Mensch. Allerdings. Ja. Und so machen sie eine Lüge darüber, die sie über die Sensoren übernommen haben. Sie haben eine zweite Lüge gemacht, die über die Sensoren übernommen wurde. Und beide dieser Dinge waren zu weit für Pepsi. wo sie dann sagten, ey, weißt du was, egal, wir canceln diesen Deal.
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Ja, um den kleinen Foxen zu beurteilen. Und sie gingen und sie haben Michael Jackson, den größten Popstar des Momentes,
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Ja, und es setzt den Präzeden.
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Ja, wir haben bereits drei verschiedene Text-Threads gestartet.
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Nuclear deterrence had prevailed.
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But it also then set the precedent and set the standard for the NFL that, well, we got to do this every year now. And so then every year it became, all right, who's a giant sponsor we can get? So Pepsi, even though they initially were going to be in bed with Fox and Living Color, They were like, ah, we're good. Oh, Michael Jackson, the Super Bowl, yeah, you can have our money.
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There's nothing controversial about this.
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But also age poorly... sieben Monate später, weil die ersten Michael Jackson Kindesabstürze im Sommer kamen. So that Super Bowl, Michael Jackson performs, and not just performs, does a whole section about kids and wanting to love and protect the kids. We are the world with a children's choir.
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And then does a thing where the audience participation is holding up little stick figures of children while he goes and stands among children and picks them up and is like doing a whole thing. That summer is when Those allegations come out.
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When I was in college, I auditioned to be the mascot and I didn't get it. At Carolina? At North Carolina, yeah. What's the Rams name? Ramses. They put a lot of thought into it. What was that audition like? They put you in the costume and then you got to like dance around and do stuff. And I didn't really know what to do. I just thought it would be fun.
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Yeah, Jocelyn Wildenstein lives rent-free in my brain. Also, hashtag rest in peace, Jocelyn. She just passed away. Wow. We lost her in 2024.
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Catnap in peace. You sweet, sweet Sheba.
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I mean, where am I going to put that?
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I'm sorry, I just go to sleep hard and I wake up hard.
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You know what I mean? Yeah, Brian, you need to work on that endurance, my man. Get your numbers up, Brian.
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And so I put it on and I think I just did a bunch of like... Hip Thrusts and Crotch Grabs. And they were like, that's enough. And told me I had done things in that costume that had never been done before and should never be done again. Somehow you were too horny for the Rams.
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You guys look awesome. You don't, though.
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Ich meine, du hast drei bis fünf Leute in einem Raum und es gibt nichts auf der TV. Es ist an einem Punkt, ich denke, natürlich wird die Konversation den Weg zu Boner-Daten überwinden.
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No, there's a very weird part of... Just skimming over it. Well, even as you said it, it is like... When you put it like that, I mean... He is sharing his son's medical data, which also feels like a violation. And everything about it, what you've shown me, what I've read about it, what I see in that dynamic with the son, if there's anyone I am horribly worried for, it is Talmadge Johnson.
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Yeah, those mascots are here for our sexual pleasure.
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Because at some point, Brian is going to realize... Maybe there's science where I could just put my brain in Talmadges body. Like he's saying, oh, I want us all to live forever.
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Like he wants to get out his own son.
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Or Talmadge might already be in the sunken place.
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Yeah, huh. He's a smoke show. Yep, you can get it. Wyatt, what did you bring us today on this edition of Share & Tell? So today I brought, we do have a Super Bowl coming up. There's a lot of talk about. Not familiar. Oh, well, there's a Super Bowl. There's a sport called Futsball. Are you aware of that? Go on. It's different from the English Futsball. But it's still with people, not with feet.
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I'm 85. What the f*** are you talking about? It's called melanin, my friend. Get you some. He doesn't need 130 pills. Just get some melanin.
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With the NWSL and the things that they've put forward, is that also something that exists in the European League? Or are there things that the NWSL are doing that aren't just the same as what you're seeing in the European League, but maybe even a step further?
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But Super Bowl Halftime Show, Kendrick Lamar is performing. A lot of big conversation around that. Now that Taylor Swift will be in attendance at the Super Bowl, maybe Taylor Swift will be leaving the skybox to make a surprise appearance. Who knows?
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But it's corporate socialism, which capitalists have never had a problem with corporate socialism. It's not socialism for the individual, the player, the collective in that way. Capitalists love corporate socialism.
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They do. That's relevant. Yeah, exactly. Or maybe Taylor Swift just sings it from the skybox. They just hand her a microphone and she slides the glass open and is like, I'll do my part, sure.
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Pablo, ich habe herausgefunden, dass du eine Episode machen musst, in der du 130 Vitaminen pro Tag nimmst und herausfindest, was dir passiert. Wirst du jünger werden? Wirst du mehr viril werden?
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The biggest show on turf. And it wasn't always recognized as that. But there was a time when the halftime show, it would be like Up With People or a high school marching band. And it was just kind of filler while everyone went to the bathroom and no one really saw it.
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Exactly, yeah. Those were the good old days. You could just smoke in the locker room.
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Yeah, get drunk a little bit. So just in thinking about that, Das war das Halftime-Show. Und dann musste sich etwas ändern. Es gab einen Moment, der einen Katalyst-Moment war, der sagte, dein Tube ist nicht gut genug. Und das, was es verändert hat, war das Sketch-Show in living color.
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Right, yeah. You didn't believe me at first when I just told you this. I did not. And then you said we had to look into it.
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I don't know, it makes pretty good sense to me. Roll the credits, show's over. This has been Pablo Torre Finds Out, a Meadowlark Media Production.
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I don't know, that wasn't a good impression of you. Mildly disrespectful. No, this is my impression of you.
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I grew up watching In Living Color. It's a show that I enjoyed as a kid. It was one that inspired me to do what I do. But then also a few years ago, I had been having some preliminary conversations to make a documentary about In Living Color.
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Unfortunately, it fell through. There, I think, were just too many things, one of which being Disney owns the IP. And so there's a lot of stuff there to navigate. And then with all the cast, they are all giant megastars.
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Sure, you had Damon Wayans, you had Jim Carrey, you had David Allen Greer, Jennifer Lopez, yeah. Rosie Perez was the choreographer. Right, this was a sketch comedy show on Fox. It ran for five seasons. And in that time, in that short amount of time,
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hat so viel getan und uns so viel Unterhaltung gegeben, sowohl die Show selbst als auch die Leute, die von der Show kamen, dass es keine echte Geschichte darüber gibt. Ich erinnere mich daran, Die Show hatte ihren 10-Jährigen und ihren 15-Jährigen. Und niemand schrieb darüber nach. Es gab nie einen Vulture-Artikel, der sagte... Die Oralgeschichte, die wir so viele andere Dinge gesehen haben.
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Yeah, and so in doing the research for it, to kind of pitch the idea, one of the things that I got really into was at the time that CBS at that moment had the Super Bowl, that Fox as this kind of upstart network had decided, Wir wollen etwas Verrücktes machen. Was, wenn wir einige der Superbowl-Audienz stehlen könnten? Ja. Und was könnten wir tun, um das zu tun?
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Und ursprünglich sagten sie, was, wenn wir MC Hammer performen? Und dann könnten wir, wie in Living Color ist unser großer Show, was, wenn wir sie ein paar Live-Sketche machen? Richtig, das ist 1992.
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Und jedes Netzwerk damals hat das einfach an die NFL gesiedelt. Was auch immer das Netzwerk war, wenn es auf CBS war, dann... Wir denken niemals, dass Halftime ein Ding sein könnte oder sogar gegen den Superbowl gegen den Halftime zu counterprogrammen.
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Right. Yes. And so that's what they started talking about and they said, yeah, what if we get MC Hammer and then we'll have the In Living Color folks just do a couple sketches. And then what was, when it was presented to Kenan and the folks at In Living Color, they said, okay, What if we do a show and MC Hammer can be our musical guest? And so the network was like, alright.
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They started going for it. They got some corporate sponsors. It was taking too long. MC Hammer eventually dropped out and was replaced by, if you can't get MC Hammer, who do you get? You get Color Me Bad.
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Ja, ich meine, wenn du Mascots hast, was solltest du noch machen? Das ist die Theme-Song für jeden Mascot, so wie ich es gelernt habe. Das war die Musik, die ich gespielt habe, als ich für Ramseys audiert habe. Ich habe meine eigene Musik mitgebracht. Hier, hier geht's.
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So yeah, they get Color Me Bad and they do this.
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Thank you so much. That really means a lot. No, I'm a fan of yours as well. I was wondering if we had met before. But yeah, I've always been a big fan of you and I miss seeing you on Around the Horn because you were so much fun on that show.
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Weil CBS ihre Superbowl-Halftime-Show geplant hatte. Es wäre eine Promo für die kommenden Winter-Olympics. Es wäre ein Salüt zur Winter-Olympics. Es würde zwei kleine Eisringe zeigen.
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Sie haben auch Jet-Skis, aber die Jet-Skis sind auf Rädern. Sie werden auf Rädern gehalten, damit sie fahren können.
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All the bears were getting poked that day. Yeah. And the whole show. I mean, everything was just shitting all over football. And people loved it. They drew... eine große Teil des Publikums entfernt und sogar einige davon gehalten. Und so hat der Gambit funktioniert. Und es war erfolgreich. Und nachdem die Entscheidung gemacht wurde, wir müssen etwas anderes tun.
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Und wir können nicht, es wurde eine Angst, dass jetzt, wir haben eine Schwierigkeit gezeigt, wir müssen mit der meisten Kraft, die möglich ist, zurückkommen.
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Well, and also what's wild too is thinking about just how cautious those networks get, because at that time, so they had two sponsors that were interested in being the corporate sponsor for the In Living Color Halftime Show. One was Frito-Lay and the other was Pepsi. And at the time, Pepsi was really excited about this idea and they started talking about
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Follow-up thought. Do we think that the Zoomer generation even knows George Foreman was a boxer?
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I feel like the innovation right now is happening at the NIL level. Like, what's the air conditioner?
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DeColdis Crawford getting the AC sponsorship in Nebraska.
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I will say one that comes to mind was Kyler Murray getting a Call of Duty deal. That was funny.
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And that cuts to the foreman principle, which is what you were saying. Like, do you trust a big guy to sell a grill? Yes. I trust Kyler Murray to sell video games? Yes.
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Explains why he named all his kids after him. Right? All of them. George, Georgina, Georgette.
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The story that I want to start with is the former running back turned influencer Ashton Hall. He is an influencer before this. He was pretty active on TikTok. And anyways, went viral really like a week ago. It's been a week now that we've lived in this Ashton Hall era. It's only been a week? I know. post his morning routine on... Actually, it went viral on Twitter, but he's a TikTok guy.
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So he's a Florida-based fitness trainer who often posts videos of his daily routine. This routine, however... took off and went viral because it features him it has like little time stamps and it has notably him pouring a bottle of Saratoga water Saratoga Springs water into a bowl of ice and then that was at 5.46am doing his workout and then doing a lot of other strange things, but at 9 a.m.
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dunking his face into the bottle of water. Many people made parodies of it, including our own Mike Golick Jr. So for the audio audience, go check out Mike Golick Jr. 's video. It has him pouring a bowl of Lucky Charms and then dunking his face into it.
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100%? So, when I'm on TikTok, the algorithm, all I see is... Not all I see, but a lot of what I see is very beautiful young women trying to sell me very cheap and ugly clothing. Like, you would not believe, like, this... $20 dress, looks amazing on everyone. And I can look at it, I'm like, this is obviously very ugly. And, like, you look amazing in it because you're hot.
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Also, we see, like, Get Ready With Me routines, a lot of that. There's a lot of reality TV content. So my question was, men, what is the, like, male equivalent of that unique to them? Like, in addition to seeing that kind of crap, I also see, you know, like, a lot of mock drafts and whatnot.
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You know, you're all beautiful, special snowflakes with your own individually catered algorithms. I'm sure Mike's has a lot of very key differences from Pablo's. That said, I do think there's, right now... regardless, specific to gender, you are seeing influencers pitch you the same crap.
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And so when I saw this video, I thought, wow, this is a lot of what I imagine men, regardless of even if you're a man who works out a lot, like men are seeing this. So that's my question. I would pause, like, what is the slap, what are male influencers pitching to men right now?
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You are many things, and I hope this doesn't sound like I'm limiting you to a role, but you are the ultimate plus one.
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So this is actually a response I got a lot. And then I mentioned to my husband and he co-signed it, which is just putting the word tactical in front of stuff. And he gets like tactical baby carrier, tactical stroller, because our algorithms show us a lot of kid stuff, right?
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Because I'll spend a little too much time watching someone be like, here's a minute how to get your kid to fall asleep every time. And I'm like, so we get advertised to that. But is there anything like they won't put tactical in front of for men?
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With, like, an extra pocket.
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I think that's worth emphasizing here, though, because I have never once purchased an item of clothing from TikTok, but they're still trying, man. So I like that point that you made, and that's why I do think there are aspects of it where they are showing things I know I will like.
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Like, that is... You're nodding because you know it's true.
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But they are really, they, the omniscient they, these apps are mixing things that I have never shown an indication of liking. And yet they're still trying.
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A friend of mine, this guy, and I went to college with was like, hey, I got tickets to the CONCACAF semis at SoFi. And it was USA versus Panama and Mexico versus Canada. And then another ticket sprang open. And I was like, of course, I'm going to ask Michael Jr. Yeah, I'd go. What is it about you? Everybody loved you, fit right in.
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Do you have back problems?
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Okay, so the algorithm does know you here.
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The ShamWow. The ShamWow.
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I like your point, though, about the through line here because it's interesting to think, like, those commercials, we were children, they were really good advertising, right? Like, it was just, like, we saw the George Foreman commercial. I don't think any of this stuff that we're seeing now is particularly well-made or thoughtful or well-crafted. It's just relentless.
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The other thing, like back then there were people who were addicted to it, right? Like I've seen on TV, it was not a common thing. Now it's like the thing is there, it's relentless, and it's also being fed to you on a device where with one click you can get it. And it's cheap also because costs have come down even further because of, you know, manufacturing and whatnot and delivery.
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So it's just so much more insidious now, I think, than it was then.
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Yes. People were very, very, like, negative about this.
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No, that's what I call music. I haven't thought about that in so long. I made my mom buy me the, I think, like, the 2000s pop one when I was in junior high. A lot of Britney, and those were, like, the best-selling CDs.
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Coming out firing. It's not.
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Well, I feel like this elevates to an even, not hotter, but maybe more overarching thesis, which is a lot of television now isn't good. It just looks good and has good actors. And I think that is what's happening with, because to bring it back to White Lotus, I both look forward to watching it every week. I've seen all the episodes.
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Enjoy watching it, but also don't think it's a particularly good television show this season. And I think the fact that those two things are happening at the same time is kind of interesting.
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That plot doesn't... Makes sense. Not that it doesn't make sense, but it doesn't feel like it's building towards anything or has any true function in the story. Again, if you're listening to this, you watch the show, you're caught up, so we don't have to do the spoiler, disclosure, or whatever.
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The two brothers having like a sort of, not mildly now, incestuous storyline, that's not interesting to me. There's no reason it's there. I would also argue some of the characters feel like retreads. Patrick Schwarzenegger's character is one of the two brothers. They've done that character now three times, which is the a-hole white bro finance dude, right? The first season, it was excellent.
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I thought the first season, I was like, this is great. I love that actor.
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He's really good. Second season, Theo James. But now it's like, wow. And Patrick Schwarzenegger is actually pretty good at it. I just feel like, we're doing this again? The dad, every episode. The dad is... Every episode is the same thing with the dad. Also, dream sequences. Come on.
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I would say the only storyline that I find kind of interesting because it feels a little bit new is the female friendship storyline, which is very funny.
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And it's a story. It's happening. It's evolving. Things happen with them. I'll throw out another theory because I'm thinking about, okay, so we like the show or we watch it. It's where we find it very smooth because of the aesthetics, because the actors, great actors every season. This season, the actors are good. This is not the problem with the show. No.
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I would also argue it almost feels like the show is being made for memes rather than, like, to tell a story. Because I think about Parker Posey's character who just, like, speaks in memes, basically, right? One Goggins, the scene with Sam Rockwell, it was so, like, so, like, wow.
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But, like, why? To what end? It was a great memetic moment, but then... That's, it's over? I don't know. That's how I feel watching it.
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Yeah, same. Do you have the... Okay, I have... He's so incompetent. Yes, I cannot watch incompetent people.
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This is, I think, where we've now drawn... A line in the sand between two types of people.
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I would say the line in the sand. On one side, we have a true empath in Gojo, which takes us to the beginning when we were talking about why he's the ultimate plus one. Yeah, yeah. I feel bad for people who have things that are done or who are victims or rather or are being hurt in some way in these shows.
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But someone who keeps hurting themselves is I have a lot of trouble with as a viewer generally. With my husband, like this, like one episode in, he's like, you're going to hate this guy, huh? Because I just cannot handle watching people who are incompetent at their jobs over and over and over. To the point where, like, when he actually found the gun in the last episode.
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I was truly shocked. That was a bigger upset to me than the incest. This guy actually getting something right for once.
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Which is willing and able. And you're down. You're just down to do anything.
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I mean, the one with the teeth is normal and is definitely supposed to be the most likable person. And she is. And the actress is like riveting and super funny and a star. But it makes no sense why she wants to be with Walton Goggins and they never sell you on it. Not for a single second. He treats her like shit. He treats her like shit. And she just calls him her soulmate.
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And it's another reason that the show is driving me crazy this year.
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And now I'm like, oh, you meant the other one with the teeth.
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I mean, come on. That's like saying like Steph Curry is tall compared to Kevin Durant. Like the British woman going teeth first in every scene.
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I mean, she's great. She is really funny and a good actress. But that's the thing. They're all really good actors. They're all really funny. They all have good lines. But it's just the underlying stories are not really there.
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They're just like, let's be other friends. Let's get our...
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have a summer camp in which we produce a prestige show at the end it's cool what i gotta get a job for my brother sure that's worth it i'll be that character to answer your question carrie coon's character is who i am on vacation where i get just unnecessarily white girl wasted yeah we've seen we've both experienced hammered mina i think oh yeah well and i i am the same way on vacation like it is it is the chance to pop the tarp off a little bit and
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You got there before me. We're just hanging out with everyone.
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man that's right what a deep cut yeah great pull yeah it's like you do this for work i hate massages by the way hate them i i could i could not feel more differently so uncomfortable the whole time unshocking revelation from you but and then they're always like what is the equivalent of this where you're like there to get your back work done or whatever and then they're like you're so tense and i'm like you're making me more tense by pointing out how tense i am
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I heard a screech in episode two that paired with the painting and there's a corner of it where you see a monkey pointing a finger and what if that finger turns out to be the gun?
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Do you have a subreddit?
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I have one that's just like...
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I found out that male TikTok sounds like exactly the same nightmarish hellhole that female TikTok is.
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What if her nickname is Georgina?
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George. That would be a great bit.
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Well, plus one implies you're not, like, the main character.
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That, I think, is part of it as well, though.
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Yes, you're not like a look-at-me-Louis.
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I recently went to the eye doctor and I, for the first time in like six years, didn't go up a number.
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Are we American humans on this earth? Yeah. Yeah.
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So when that came out, because I was a child, so I barely remember. I just remember everyone had one. I remember using it. I remember the commercials and other things about George Foreman. But Since then, so many imitators have sprung up. And I think actually at the time, not many people had... I don't think paninis were even a thing.
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I think more of that. I think I've maxed out. I think they're just like, eh, at this point.
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Yes, which then became omnipresent. So at the time, nothing like this really existed.
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I don't have readers. I wear contacts all day.
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When you go to the eye doctor now, do they give you the option of buying the 3D rendering of the inside of your eye that looks like Lord of the Rings? I'll show you what it looks like. Hold on.
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This is really a who's who of the most famous people in the 1990s. It really is.
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It seems completely unnecessary.
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This is what the inside of everyone's eye looks like. Does it not look like Sauron?
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But that's what I mean. This preceded the grill.
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Right. Then you realize like, oh, wow, like this is and then all the like capillaries. It's so like it looks like a Van Gogh painting or something, too. That's it. Yeah. The top of the eye and the bottom.
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Random question. Do they still sell them?
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They don't just fine anyone 100 grand. They fine you 100 grand if they know you got 100 grand.
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That's a fine, by the way. I mean, Paul Rudd won it one year.
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What? Yeah, but that was a different Nick Nolte. It was a different Nick Nolte.
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Ich denke, ein älterer Patrick Dempsey scheint besser auszuschauen als der jüngere Patrick Dempsey. Wie ist das?
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What? Wow. It's all happening, man.
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Nicht so gut. Das ist der sexieste Mann, den wir haben. Hat Jason Kelsey das letzte Jahr gewonnen? Können wir besser auf Sex sein?
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Yeah, you're okay.
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Into, yeah. Just to be more specific, to put a finer point on it, Richard Gere allegedly put a gerbil in his ass.
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To your point about going hard, once you pull out your Michael Jackson, so to speak, no one's really going to lay what they've got on the table to try to compete. So once you've established that this is what the halftime show looks like from here on out, it's no longer about trying to counter-program. It's about understanding that you're not winning.
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No, I was going to say, we want nothing to do with controversy, so we're backing Michael Jackson.
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Yeah. We actually started some group chats with multiple other people too, but didn't invite you.
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Yeah, nothing to do with minors whatsoever.
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You too.
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Still am.
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I had only remembered seeing the photo of him where he got a bunch of fat injected in his face and he looked like that lady who got more and more progressively like a cat due to her plastic surgery.
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That's the only reference point I had to this guy.
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I can't believe you know the cat lady's name.
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Wow.
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I guess I should say, meow.
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Don't have to get ready if you stay ready. You know what I mean?
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You can't say flaccid without thinking of a dick.
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That would be a good rap duo. then who ends up with Flaccid, I guess?
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And then test each other's boners. I'm trying to piece together how we went from getting plasma to boner data. Yeah.
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Right. What's that, you know, you talk long enough and Hitler comes up? It's that for men with d**ks.
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Just real quick, back to the boners. His name is Johnson. It's a little on the nose or I guess on the dick, but the point is he's testing his boners next to his sons in order to prove that that part of the aging process that isn't affecting him is sexual virility.
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I was going to say, I feel like we view mascots the same then.
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Couldn't you compare it to other 47-year-olds instead? Or couldn't you compare it to anonymous data from many people in their early 20s instead of, weirdly— posting about your son's boners, tagging him in those posts, and then saying, raise your kids to stand firm and upright.
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This part to me is like a departure from the already weird obsession with not dying is also this desire to be connected to his son, both in terms of like injecting his plasma into him, but then also having boner offs. Like, is this weird to you guys? Or am I just a woman?
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The immediate urge was the crotch grab.
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Or clone him or, you know, any number of weird sci-fi rich person weird things to take the next step.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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Clearly. Have you seen Benny the Bull?
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He's in the cult.
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Yeah, he's already, that sounds like something you'd write with a gun to your head.
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He's in the turgid place. He can't think straight. He's constantly erect. His dad won't let him stop getting boners. Also, not the point of the clip, but isn't he rich enough to get a more believable hair dye? That doesn't occur in nature.
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Like, if the point is to look younger, like, a real easy just boxed hair dye is not going to cost you much, and it's going to do wonders for selling people on your age.
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Yep. You can get it.
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Yeah, Mark Jones is on The Substance.
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I don't want to bring the party to a flaccid point, but I brought a sports topic. I forgot which show I was on, I guess. But I did want to bring it because I think you're both brilliant dudes, and I'm kind of interested to see where your brain takes what could happen next. So I don't know how familiar you are with the NWSL having a new CBA that they signed a couple months ago.
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And part of it that we're now seeing manifest is they got rid of the draft altogether. They got rid of the college draft. They got rid of the expansion draft. There's no restrictions on movement for players at all. If you're out of a contract, you get to decide where you go. If you want to get traded, you have to agree to it. A team cannot trade you anywhere without you agreeing to it.
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And free agents can sign whenever they want. There's not even restricted free agency where the team that originally had their rights has a chance to match. It is entirely players' rights now. And this is in part because the NWSL is having trouble competing with World Soccer and FIFA that operated in an entirely different way, right?
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So if a global team was trying to get you to play for them, you might choose them purely because you don't want to get drafted to somewhere that you have no choice. And... you know, that was a disadvantage to the NWSL.
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So this is the first real offseason where we're seeing not only collegiate and younger players just sign with whatever team they choose, but also seeing all these free agents potentially choose NWSL, WSL, which is the European Women's League in England, Naomi Germa, who's a superstar for the U.S.
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national team and was playing for the San Diego Wave, just left and went to Chelsea out in England, had the biggest transfer fee of over a million dollars for a female player ever, and signed a four-year deal with them. And because of the way they restructured their rules, that was able to happen during a transfer window.
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Yeah, I mean, there's the spectacle and the entertainment side of it, but then there's also how it serves a league. So, for instance, in the past, there was a Supreme Court ruling, this Supreme Court Justice Stephen Breyer wrote in Brown v. Football, 1996,
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clubs that make up a professional sports league are not completely independent economic competitors as they depend on a degree of cooperation for economic survival. So in the past, basically, antitrust laws and things that people felt like a draft were in violation of were able to be saved around the idea that each individual part of a professional league is really just one company, sort of.
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And in the NWSL, that argument really wouldn't have worked because it didn't help the health of the league to have a draft when the rest of global football didn't. So it benefits the health of the NWSL to operate in the same system as FIFA football and global football. The NFL would have different rules. The NBA would have different rules.
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So yes, it's very interesting to think about, for player rights purposes, how you might replace the draft and do something else. But also, it would be harder to get rid of it in the professional men's leagues in the U.S. because of the fact that they aren't really operating in a global system the same way the NWSL wants to.
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No, this is a very essentially American thing. to take away an individual's rights and put them instead with a league or a team. In global football, with like, let's say, Naomi Gurma and transfer fees. Naomi Gurma is headed to Chelsea because she wanted to go there and they wanted her. She was under contract with the San Diego wave of the NWSL through the end of 2026.
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So first, San Diego and Chelsea have to agree on a transfer fee, which is the amount of money Chelsea is going to pay San Diego to have the rights to Naomi Gurma. That's over a million dollars. And then they also have to convince Naomi Gurma to go there and sign there. Even if they agreed on the trade and the transfer fee, she would not have to go there unless she agreed to it.
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So at every turn, there is both a negotiation between clubs on a transfer fee and a negotiation between player and club. An interesting element that is potentially going to come up and is already being discussed in the MLS is should a player get a percentage of that transfer fee? Because ultimately, it's their value that's dictating how much is being paid and why.
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So soccer is basically operating now in terms of global rules because we're behind. America is the one catching up. Whereas all the other leagues, we're sort of setting the precedent. And so I think it'd be harder to unravel. But if I were a men's professional athlete in the U.S. looking over at the NWSL...
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Would I have a lot of thoughts about how much better it would be to be able to pick where I got to go instead of getting sent to fill in the blank where allegedly parody is what's driving things. But you know that it's a bad team that's poorly run with bad facilities, bad owners, everything else. And you have no choice. You're stuck there.
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You just made me think of something that I want to add, which is another way that women's leagues are saying what we've always done doesn't have to be the way we keep doing it. The Professional Women's Hockey League, the PWHL, uses a draft order point system so that the team with the most points after they've been eliminated gets a better pick.
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So once you know you're not making it, you have to try hard instead of getting worse. So there's a lot of ways that I think women's professional sports are trying to look at what we've complained about for decades on the men's side. Unrivaled, for instance, uses an Elam ending for the fourth quarter of every single game. If people aren't familiar with that, it means you've got a target score.
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They do have a tune together. Yep.
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You've got a game winner every single game instead of let's have 8,000 free throws and drag out the finish. So women's sports are looking at the things that aren't working in men's and trying out new things because they're not beholden to nostalgia and tradition and people who will be mad about, you know, mixing things up.
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As far as the NWSL goes, we are right in the midst of seeing the first handful of college players getting signed to teams. It's missing a bit of the pageantry in terms of draft day night.
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But I had the executive director of the NWSLPA, Megan Burkhan, and the Players Association president, Tori Huster, on my podcast, Good Game with Sarah Spain, plug there, to talk about this right after the CBA went through. And one of the things they talked about is that was an artificial pageantry. The real moment where you feel like a pro is when you sign your contract.
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not when you put the hat on. So can you make that my pro moment? Can you find a way to put some pageantry behind the contract signing and that decision? Or in high school, for instance, we've got the people who line up the hats on the table and then tell you where they're going on decision day.
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You could do that sort of thing the same way for players that are getting to decide their team as opposed to being drafted.
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The dating game. The dating game. You've got the player, and then behind the wall, you've got four teams.
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Who are saying, here's our facilities. Here's our record of winning. Here's where you'll live if you live here. Here's our tax situation. Exactly. The thing is, like, there are some legitimate questions about this in terms of how do you make sure teams are able to keep up, especially smaller markets? How do you ensure that there is a little bit of parity and it's not super lopsided?
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How do you keep fans interested in an also-ran team if they don't have the hope of a draft, the hope of that savior that's coming in?
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On the other hand, you force every team to have better resources and investment and good coaches and a plan to win because they can't get by on luck and the idea that if they fail, they're still going to get a shot at a star.
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There's loyalty and respect going both ways where a player wants to be there and you want to have them that might result in better relationships and conversations when you have to choose where you want to go and stay there if you want to stay there. I mean...
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Or she could Tom Cruise it and like fly down on a wire from the suite to the field like he did at the Olympics.
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I think there's a lot of doomsday scenarios to keep a system in place the same way that we had doomsday scenarios about NIL and paying players in college solely so that we could keep the billionaires rich and keep the player without any rights.
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I found out that I really want to see a Wyatt Cenac documentary about In Living Color. So I want that to happen somehow, some way. I also found out that being a billionaire is not as fun as it looks for the millionth time. I don't know how many stories we need to hear about miserable billionaire men before we finally stop in any way idolizing that lifestyle or them.
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But this is just like the latest in a long, long list of just deeply upsetting results of being too rich.
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Smoked a couple cigs in the locker room.
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Did a bunch of drugs that made your body still function but completely unfeeling.
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Yeah. Are you still doing that? I would love to watch that.
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And to your point, they were not winning halftime. It was dead time to go get your snacks or you'd turn away and watch something else. So they were trying to keep people around in a way that you never have to do anymore because it's part of the show.
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By the way, nice to meet you, Wyatt.
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So they got Color Me Bad to close things out. I presume I want to sex you up.
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And now we have wet ass pussy. The times have changed.
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I know what you guys are thinking. You're thinking, hey, are these bozos going to make us miss any part of the second half?
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I'm a very big fan of yours, and my husband and I really loved your show, Problem Areas, because I thought the vibe was just excellent.
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I'm not going to lie. Brian Boitano was big in our family. Brian Boitano and Dorothy Hamill getting excited for some Winter Olympic figure skating. We would have been in.
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It does sort of, I mean, in a way, though, it does resemble Super Bowl halftimes in the sense of, you know, taking over the field with all these dancers and visual elements. It's just so, like, corny.
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Oh, so good. I can't believe I've never seen that before.
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What's also fascinating, and for the youngsters watching, they might not realize this, but Fox Network did not launch until 1986. So this is four years after the network launched. And if you remember, the beginning of the network was all about being disruptive to the traditional ABC, NBC, CBS. It was Tracy Ullman, The Simpsons, In Living Color, Married with Children.
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Yeah, Pablo was never fun on that show except for as the whipping boy.
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It was all these things that were a little bit edgier. And the idea that Fox now... couldn't do those sketches because they want the rights and own the rights. Like, everyone's in bed with the NFL now or everyone feels like they have a chance to be in bed because you can even have games as Netflix and streaming services.
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Back then, Fox was like the little kid, the little brother that was never going to win
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rights to have the games so they felt perfectly comfortable skewering them like you just don't see that these days from major networks because they all have to be playing nice just in case they have a deal with them the same way like espn had to stop running that playmaker show and and the nfl was like yeah sorry you can't do that they have so much power now that to watch that is something to think about here where it's like oh you could just do that then because they didn't think they had a shot and now of course fox is is in bed with the giant
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PTFO - One Yard at a Time: A Mystery
As I'm sure everyone's aware, today we'll be holding a discussion about a bill intended to give adoptees access to their original birth records here in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania. The legislation that we're here to discuss is House Bill 162, which has been introduced by the good gentleman from Center County, Representative Kerry Benninghoff.
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The name is Spain, but they call me the commish. C-O-M-M-I-S-H. You don't want to mess with this. Step into the grid and I'll rule your world. The show's alpha male is a ball busted girl. When you pick your fate, you know I'll make it stick. Save your excuses. Yo, they don't mean the horrors of the grid. Best believe the hype like sand to your neck or a bowl full of tripe.
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Running like Baywatch, eating a whale. A whole damn show with your hand in a pail. Call me up. when you need me to rule. You get so nervous, you start to drool. Stomach is twisting, now you're clenching your butts. Sick like you ate 36 doughnuts. Please take it easy on us. Please, Sarah Spain. You know I'm bringing the pain. The name is Spain, but they call me the commish.
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A velvet glove with an iron fist. Fat face Dan and his little wiener friend. In case you didn't hear me, gonna say it again. The name is Spain, but they call me the commish. A velvet glove with an iron fist. Fat face Dan and the wiener stew. Never forget who I am to you. I'm the commish. Don't F with this. I'm the commish. I said you don't F with this. Yes, I'm the commish.
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I said don't F with this. Excellent.
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There's more. There's more. Ain't you sorry? Look at you two. Can't believe Burt Reynolds kept talking to you. I got laid a lot, he said without blinking. What's that like, you were probably thinking. Well, all of South Beach has been getting boom, boom. Dan's been dropping heaters in the Clevelander bathroom. Stu's ain't sleeping on his living room couch.
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When he smells like gas, wifey always finds him out. Two sorry gas bags from 10 to 1. Their war on football just ain't no fun. Why you so mean? Take it easy on the guys. Don't you worry, I can barely hear him cry. For fat-faced Dan and his wiener sidekick, ain't nothing new to get dissed by a chick. Excellent. The name is Spain, but they call me the commish. A velvet glove with an iron fist.
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Fat-faced Dan and his little wiener friend. In case you don't remember, gonna say it again. The name is Spain, but they call me the commish. A velvet glove with an iron fist. Fat-faced Dan and the wiener stew. Never forget who I am to you. I'm the commish. You don't F with this. Said I'm the commish. Yeah, you don't F with this. Yes, I'm the commish. Don't F with this.
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Ep 242: Are You Smarter Than A Podcaster?
Hey, all you women's hoops fans and folks who just don't know yet that they're women's hoops fans. We've got a big week over at Good Game with Sarah Spain as we near the end of one of the most exciting women's college basketball seasons ever.
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Ep 242: Are You Smarter Than A Podcaster?
Hey, all you women's hoops fans and folks who just don't know yet that they're women's hoops fans. We've got a big week over at Good Game with Sarah Spain as we near the end of one of the most exciting women's college basketball seasons ever.
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Ep 242: Are You Smarter Than A Podcaster?
The most parody we've seen in years with games coming down to the wire and everyone wondering which team will be crowned national champions this weekend in Tampa. Listen to Good Game with Sarah Spain on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Ep 242: Are You Smarter Than A Podcaster?
The most parody we've seen in years with games coming down to the wire and everyone wondering which team will be crowned national champions this weekend in Tampa. Listen to Good Game with Sarah Spain on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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This is something I talk to people coming up in my industry about all the time because I want to make it okay, but I know that I can't. I'm not in charge of all those people that your listeners work for who are awful and who are not evolved and who don't plan on changing anytime soon.
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So I can't just tell them to behave in a certain way, understanding and knowing that the situation that they're in will not allow for it. It's what's right versus what works, right? I remember listening to my all-time faves, Sue Bird and Megan Rapinoe were on your show and Megan said, let's just live in the future. Let's just pretend that we're already there. And in so many cases, I do that.
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And I repeat that all the time from Pino. I'm like, I'm just going to live in the future where I'm going to do this and this and this, and I don't care what the response is. This is how it should be. But that is not the appropriate response in so many places, particularly your job, if you depend on it and your family depends on it. So what's right versus what works?
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If you have to completely reject your integrity and your values in order to continue existing in a situation... then at whatever cost you can, you should find a different situation.
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If it is extreme enough that you are every single day being asked to not be aligned with your values, to contribute to that for other people as well, if like in the case of the episode that never was, you're now excusing it and dismissing the behaviors that you know are wrong because you have to for your job, if you can... You need to find another situation.
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If you know that your boss and the people at the highest levels of your company will not listen if you talk about harassment, then if you can, change it. And if you can't, maybe you have to go somewhere else. And I think it's that at every single level. You do as much as you can within the system that you can. And if you hit a point where it feels like it is impossible, then change.
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I have no answer for you and I wish I did. But maybe you have to remove yourself. And it's bullshit. It's fucked up that we have to leave because of the behavior of men or a culture that's wrong. But ultimately, the power is at the highest levels. And if the highest levels aren't forced to change, then they will do whatever it takes to keep their power.
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And that includes the culture that makes women quieter and have to deal with all this stuff.
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Well, you probably wanted money. That's what we always want. Yes, that's what you want. Even though women who report things never end up being rich and famous and being miserable.
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And they don't get hired again because they're troublemakers. Right.
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Who made the spreadsheet. That's what I was going to say. Yeah. Because I think there's like a website like that to have a couple single gals that are on it that's like, are we dating the same guy? And you're supposed to be able to go search for a guy and see if there's a bunch of red flags and other women saying...
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And at its core, if everybody were authentic and genuine and principled people, that would work great. Unfortunately, you do have to take it with a grain of salt. Like, did this person actually do something? You know what I mean? Like, or some guy goes on there and pretends to be a woman and takes out some competitor. Right. You just never know with those things. The goal should be, though.
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And I went and looked at that list and I have it up here in my head and I think about it. Right. And I keep an eye out. It's not that I'm going to say with certainty and definity, because that's not fair to anyone, but I do keep an eye out for it. And what's interesting is you talked about how you knew your job wouldn't get better.
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So a couple of years ago when the Cubs won the World Series, they were on the path to winning. And I was covering a lot of it for SportsCenter. And I had this particular producer that I worked with a handful of times. He was freelance. And he always had these inappropriate comments. He was annoying, but I just would shrug him off. And...
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Then that day, we were waiting to get started, and we were watching video of the Cubs celebrating in the clubhouse, and there was a female reporter in there with them doing interviews, and I think she got a bunch of beer thrown on her, and she was having a blast with all the guys who she covered all year, and he said, how many of them do you think she's had sex with? And I said...
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Probably none of them. That's her job. And he was like, oh, it's such a joke.
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Every woman in this business from like age 20 to 60 gets accused of that all the time. I can't name a single woman in the business that someone has said, oh, I heard she does, you know, whatever. So just don't do that. And so he kind of seemed sheepish, but like didn't fight back. And then when the rest of the crew showed up, he said, everybody look out for Sarah today. She's on her period.
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Nope. Right. And in the moment I said, I'm not on my period, I told him to stop behaving in a sexist way or whatever I said. And that's all I did. And it wasn't until years later that I was writing a story about harassment and how many people are that guy on that spreadsheet that it's like the worst kept secret kind of guy. And how nobody does anything.
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And so I called and I told ESPN, I think you should look into this person. Every time I worked with him, he said sexist things about women. I was not comfortable working with them. And I didn't want to be contributing to it by not saying anything because I'm sure he works with other women who are, it's even harder for them to deal with.
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And ultimately what happened is they interviewed a whole bunch of people to see who else had worked with him. And he is not a freelancer anymore and is not able to work with our company anymore. But it took me years to be like, I can be that person. And also the empathy factor. I was like, oh, but you know, he has a job and I, that gets in the way of me.
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Yeah. Well, I mean, there's the extreme ways which have worked, which is litigation and threats and things like what ultimately resulted from Me Too and Time's Up, right? Where there was a feeling of fear that if you didn't change your culture and behave differently.
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But to your point, Abby, there is the power of ascension within a space by people who are allies, male or female, wherein they can try to change the culture one step at a time. to make it better for the people coming up. It doesn't feel as dramatic as being able to change that your boss sucks.
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But for instance, at ESPN, when I hear or see something from across our networks, which we have many, or people employed by us, I'll send it behind the scenes to the higher ups and say, did you notice that this radio host asked a female coach who came on whether the girls on her team were cute or what their outfits look like?
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did you notice that this person that was on SportsCenter was doing a soccer highlight for women? And when they got out of the way of a penalty kick, asked if they were not wanting to get their hair messed up, right? Like these little microaggressions, I will send them along.
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And I will say, we need to have conversations with people when they say and do these things so that it's in their brains when they go to work, that it's not going to just be okay. And It sucks that that's part of my job is basically be a nag and a telltale, but I don't care. Those people should be thinking about those things when they're at work as much as I have to think about them all the time.
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And so I think that's one of the things, Abby, and for me personally, like whenever I bring up any issues of sexism and misogyny in sport, I lose fans. There are just a lot of sports bros who really want me to just be a cute girl that they can grab a beer and talk sports with who is one of the guys. And isn't that the best compliment in the world? You're not a woman.
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You're one of the guys, which makes you cool. And we earned a lot of, as you say, proximity to power through that, Abby, for our whole lives by being able to keep up with the guys.
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And both as an athlete and quick wit and sarcasm, I got through my entire career by being able to make jokes about inappropriate things so that I could make things calm and not reject someone to their face or call them out to their face. I would do it in a funny way and then we could all keep it moving. And that served me for a certain amount of time now. I've been around too long.
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I am using my voice and my agency to call things out. I don't care if I lose fans. I don't care if people think I'm not one of the guys and I'm not cool. My intent now is not make myself more famous and richer. My intent is to change a situation and an industry that I am now big enough part of that people listen to me.
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How do you make sure that if you are someone who is strong enough and I again, like I benefit very much from very good mental health, I can take the trolls, I can take the criticism, I could take all that. So it's kind of up to me to make sure that I'm holding it down so that people who are struggling more with that kind of thing. Don't have to face it alone.
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I just I think that's as big a part of it is understanding once you get a certain amount of power, not to just sit in it and be happy that you made it. Oh, I get to be the one example of a woman who's thriving in a male dominated industry. No, no, no. You get to now pay back all of the good luck and fortune that you had by getting to where you are. Damn.
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Cause that's a real thing. I want to say this to you guys, because this is extremely like this podcast means so much to me, not for maybe the same reasons as everyone else, but because I am blessed with great mental health. I have very secure relationships. I moved through the world taking credit for so many things that I had nothing to do with.
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Because I didn't understand the challenges that other people had. And in fact, a lot of times I judged them because I'm super outgoing. I'm going to show up anywhere, talk to anyone. And I just thought, why are people like that? And because I love you guys so much, instead of judging the pathologies that I used to find annoying, um, I'm now empathetic towards them.
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And I realized that understanding them makes me so much better of a person and so much more of an add to any situation I'm in because instead of thinking, well, I'm right. And the way I do things is right. And everyone else is wrong. It's like, no, no, no. The way I do things gets one result. And if I were any of these other different people, the result would be different.
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And that is magical and necessary. And the way you guys talk on this podcast just proves that over and over again, because the ways you come at it is all different. And if I didn't listen, even to the ones that I'll like click and be like, I don't know about this one. And by the end, I'll be like, fuck, yes. How did I never think about this before?
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It's necessary, though, to see the things that you took credit for and instead say, how blessed was I that I didn't fight for that, that I just got that. And then now I have to use it. And I feel that way in my business. I'm a straight, cis, white person. aesthetically decent looking person who can take it when people say awful things to me.
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I'm not sending someone who's already strapped with racism and disability prejudice or anything else to the front lines and expecting them to do it. They've got all this other shit that people are throwing at them. So I can take it.
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Well, and I think also, who do you surround yourself with? If you're someone who's going to be in a situation where you go into work every day and you deal with these awful things, how are you making sure that there are outlets to talk about it so that you're not just digesting and keeping it in and being miserable all the time?
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Because even if it doesn't fix it, you can go talk to someone and at least get it off your chest that that wasn't okay. The behavior's not right. You know that it isn't right. Instead of being in it for so long that you become conditioned to accept it, in a way that transforms you into someone who doesn't see that there's something wrong.
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When I started my career and I had not yet met my husband, he was more of a feminist than I was. I'd been working in sports where I was one woman in a room of 40 and being like, oh, it's good enough. And every once in a while I would say something to him and be like, that's messed up. I'd be like... Yeah, actually, it is. And like, what? Yeah, I shouldn't just take that.
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And so who are you surrounding this podcast? If this is what you can get, keep listening to this because the voices are going to keep getting in there. But also, who are the women you surround yourselves with? Are they women who defend this behavior and stick up for their husbands when they're being awful? Mm-hmm. Are they men who are going to call out other men when you're not around?
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Or are they the ones that are going to make you feel wrong for feeling activated? I think people underestimate how much their opinions about things change by who they surround themselves with. And if you're not willing to go around and make some tough decisions about who's in your ear all the time,
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And say to those people, we're not going to have that conversation or I don't want to talk about these things with you because I don't think your opinion on it is humane or fair or right. And I, you know, set those boundaries on that because it gets in there. That's an answer to me.
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Every time I just saw a quote, it was like behind every angry woman is something to be a lot angrier about than that. The woman is angry. We're going to focus on the angry woman. And it's like, no, look at this shit. There's a reason she's angry.
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And it's like, no, we would rather be mad at her for bringing it to our attention and disrupting the fact that we all were willing to ignore it because it doesn't bother us.
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Thank you for having me. My face is like exploding. My cheeks are like bright red and I'm like smiling so big that my face is hurting because hearing you guys say such nice things about me because I love you all so much. And I'm so excited to talk to Amanda, who I haven't met before. And I'm so excited to talk about this.
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Thank you. Thank you.
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Although I will say that at least unlike your evangelical friends, the people in the sports world act like they have a mission from God to keep women out, but they don't actually invoke God. So there's like one step below. the kind of power that they believe that they wield. So I'll give it up to the evangelicals. They probably have it worse.
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Yes. Yes. Because if they were saying literally God wants only men in sports, I'd be like, I don't know where to go with you if you believe that. And instead they say dumb shit like genetically women don't understand sports. And then I could use science. To be like, actually, there is no DNA coding for knitting versus understanding a cover two defense.
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That's what keeps the world going.
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I've made a lot of it on the internet and I've received a lot of great feedback. Thoughtful, thoughtful feedback. First of all, let's tackle a couple of things. Secretly, during a professional golf tournament, live on television with hundreds of cameras. So everyone, let's just get rid of the, it was between two friends. It was not meant for you. It was private. No.
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You'll not find it in science, but you can keep trying. Whereas with God, I'm like, okay, I guess that's what you think. So where do you go from there?
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It was during a professional sporting event on television.
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All the people that are like, it's private.
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Exactly. They're at work right now. But let's say they were. Doesn't make it any better. The fact that you're telling me all guys do this. I bet your husband does this. I guarantee you my husband does not make tampon jokes. Stop dragging every single man into your bullshit to try to defend why you act the way that you do. That's right. But here's what I've been at for my literally entire career.
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is that the little tiny slights and jokes and microaggressions contribute to the society in which we were raised that told us from day one that we're inferior. And if you keep doing them, then a new generation adopts the same ideas. And so whether or not you think that one thing is a big deal, when you add that to a major newspaper in Chicago printing a picture of an athlete with a skirt on,
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you know, before a big match to say that they're less than our team who's going to beat them. Or when you have all your rookies for a team dress up only as girls, and that's the punishment and the criticism and the hazing for being a rookie is you have to be a woman, which is inherently worse. All of those things add together.
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And that's how we end up in a society where men are believed to always be smarter, more powerful, more capable, more productive. They get paid more. They get better jobs. They get respect more. They get believed more. I mean, you can take this back to Plato, right?
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I mean, there's quotes from the brilliant genius that we trust for all of our major life principles that are like, well, women are basically inferior and can't be trusted or believed in anything. It's been the entirety of our existence that we have been raised with these beliefs, and they stem from the repeated acts every day.
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And it's the same about racist jokes and misogynist jokes and homophobic jokes, because ultimately, whether you know it or not, subconsciously, you digest these and it affects how you see the other people in the world around you.
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And so I know that I'm going to get destroyed when I talk about stuff like the Tiger Woods thing. I know my mentions are going to be full of people telling me to relax or maybe you need a tampon. I got that one a lot. Very clever.
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But it's worth it to me because then the next time it's just the same as when you're at the office and you're suggesting that people think a little bit more carefully about what they say and what they do. You're hoping that those people the next time think, hey, is this sexist? And am I contributing to something bigger?
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Before he outdrove him.
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And not original.
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And he has a very, very... What's the word I'm looking for? Checkered history with women that he has had to try to move past in order to regain the love of his fans. And he instantly takes that second, third, fourth chance he's gotten and reminds you, I don't have to worry about this. I have the power. I can do this. It doesn't matter to him. It really doesn't.
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He didn't actually apologize. It was a fuck.
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And they might be the same people. I mean, one of the things that's the worst about the it's the worst kept secret that that guy's a jerk or it's locker room talk is that those people, if they're willing to do that in public, in person, that guy who told you take your clothes off, what do you think he's doing in private moments with women?
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What do you think he's doing in spaces that don't have a bunch of people, including HR, standing there? Like spaces where he's not trying to get a job. Exactly. Exactly. And so we laugh those off or we say, oh, it's not that big of a deal. But those are the very people that later on are doing much worse.
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And we're sort of allowing it by not being willing to speak up, by not being willing to check them in those moments and by. keeping those well-kept secrets. Stop doing that. I understand it in my business. We do talk about how a lot of us have not reported the people who have harassed us because again, it'll forever be, oh, she's not that Peabody award-winning person.
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She's the one who had this happen to her from this guy that we all know. But I can behind the scenes, tell women to be careful around him and tell as many people as they can to look out for him.
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That's what you guys did to bring us full circle with the episode that never was. And the, On it, Glennon, you said this is my favorite one because we're doing it. And it's so true, though, because it's very easy to say these things.
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And I'm sure I'll look back after this podcast and be like, oh, you know, I made myself sound like someone who always... No, there's been plenty of moments where I afterwards think I should have said or done something differently. I should have not cared about my own reputation or where I sat in that room. Instead, I should have done something. You get a chance all the time, unfortunately.
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You're going to get so many more chances. But you guys did show us in the moment... that you can do something. And I think also that if you create the kind of spaces that you want to work in and you protect those spaces, you can set an example for other people on how to do that instead of just thinking that everything has to be done the way it's always been done.
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And that's why, Amanda, if that person in that space had been willing to speak up for you, it would have not only been better for you, but everybody else there would have been like, oh, I should have probably... I should have probably said something too. I should have just sat here and let that happen. And then maybe they will next time.
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Yeah, it's actually reminded me of a conversation you all had recently where you talked about feedback, which is a nice word for criticism. And I think about that a lot because I'm OK with people disagreeing with my sports opinions. And when they do that, that's part of the give and take of the job I do. But usually it's not that it's I can't believe anyone married you or you're fat or whatever.
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I admire you. If you ever get in a low point where you don't have any episodes, we'll just get back to those voicemails. Yeah, absolutely. Done. I'll be back. We'll do it in a high point.
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any number of things that have nothing to do with my job. And also being on TV, doing the job means that while I have to learn all of the same things about all of the sports, then I have to decide what am I going to wear and what's my makeup going to look like? And is every single comment going to be about, you know, what I look like?
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And the funny ones are just middle-aged men that are like, what are those earrings today? And I'm always like, what? I just have a saved thing that just says, Vera Wang, is that you? Because I'm like, it's so distracting from the work and it's inescapable. And I have to say, I was pretty naive growing up because I came from a family of two parents who were lawyers.
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They have a law practice together. So they didn't just talk about equality, but they modeled it. My mom did way more of the work at home. It certainly was not indicative of a real partnership, but in the workplace and the way that people talked about my mom, I recognized that she was a badass and I recognized that she was out doing something that was special.
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And so I grew up sort of thinking, okay, that, I mean, I was six feet tall when I was 12. So I was kicking all the boys' asses. I was super type A, like, all state and band and chorus and field hockey and track and basketball. And I did all the things and I was like, I'm just going to do all the things as well as possible. And then no one can say I'm not allowed anywhere.
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And I actually believed it for most of my life. I experienced sexism and misogyny, but it never really got in my way in the spaces I was in because I was extremely fortunate to go to a great college and all that stuff. I got out of college and got into the sports world. And I was like, oh, shit. I have to deal with this stuff, too. I'm not immune to this.
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Just because I was a Division I athlete and an Ivy League student and I was coming in super prepared and ready to go, I was still going to have to deal with harassment and sexism and misogyny and disrespect and people assuming I didn't know what I was doing. And that completely changed my perspective that had been very, very privileged and very naive.
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Absolutely. Yeah. My first big interview for what would have been a killer job when I was just behind the scenes trying to get started in sports. The person I was going to be partnered with on camera was out of out of the city doing something and was coming back in late. And they said, well, you can't do a straight up interview.
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We'll have to chat with you guys and do some on camera stuff tomorrow. But he's getting in. Why don't you guys grab dinner and just, you know, we could talk. You can get to know each other. And over the course of the several hours I spent with this person, he tried to kiss me. He told me about his manscaping. He talked about what kind of sex we would have.
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He introduced me to another employee by saying, do you know what color eyes she has? I haven't made it up there yet. The next day when we went into the office, I presumed that this was unique to him, but we're in front of the person doing the hiring. And he said, after last night, I came up with an idea for a show.
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It's just me standing over Sarah, sitting in a chair for an hour, looking at her tits. And the person hiring was like, that's hilarious. And I was like, what am I getting into? And I called home and I just was so upset because I had, again, read about it and heard about it. And I just thought, well, not me. You know what I mean?
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And that's another thing that it really opened my eyes to was the judgment that we have of women who are victimized or mistreated as in whatever way being different from us, that there must be some reason that that's happening instead of understanding that men who behave in this way do not need any excuse, do not need anything within what you are and who you are to behave in this way.
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And so it's very hard afterwards not to feel some sort of shame about what you might have done to bring it on yourself. And it's been impressive to see how a male-dominated sexist industry has made me so much more of a feminist than I was before I got into it because it just made everything so much more obvious when it was done.
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That applies to sexual assault, harassment, all sorts of things. It's called the just world ideology. And it's the idea that if we do everything right, nothing bad should happen to us. And it's the main reason that people victim blame. I was doing a story on Larry Nassar, the awful abuser at Michigan State.
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And people were asking questions about 13 and 14 year old girls that he had abused about what were they wearing or doing or why didn't they know any better? I was so infuriated and I couldn't figure out what, possibly could drive someone to blame a 14 year old girl. And so I wanted to write about it.
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And I found some experts and the just world ideology is essentially if I dress right, act right, walk in the right places, don't walk after dark, do all these things, then nothing bad will happen to me. And to live in a world where you believe that you're not in control of whether something awful can happen to you is so scary that people would rather find a way to blame those who are the victims.
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People are going to find a way for you to have caused what happened to you. And so it would suck to enter an industry and believe it doesn't matter how hard I work or how smart I am or how good the work is, it's going to happen anyway. And that's 100% what this industry is.
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That's the hardest part. You can tell them and you should. And I've done podcasts and stories where I talk to people across my industry, other women who have experienced similar things, because I want the ones coming up to know they're not alone. It's not their fault. It happens all the time, unfortunately. And this is likely what will happen if you want to report it.
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And this is why a lot of women don't, right? Because you will do all the right things and it won't necessarily mean that anything will happen for that man. or worse, that it may affect your ability to work in the industry because people will label you as someone who is a problem. And because you don't have value, it usually happens when you're at the very start of your career. Yes.
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You don't have any value. In that particular instance, I hadn't even been hired yet. What am I going to do? Tell them this multi-million dollar guy on TV did this and they should care?