Sarah Walker

And so what do you think the risks are there, that the conscious things will get angry with us and fight back?

Oh, okay. Yeah, I think we do that quite a lot. Anyway, without I mean, I don't I mean, it goes back to your and I don't know how to feel about this. But, you know, like we talked already about the predator prey thing that like in some sense, you know, being alive requires eating other things that are alive.

Oh, okay. Yeah, I think we do that quite a lot. Anyway, without I mean, I don't I mean, it goes back to your and I don't know how to feel about this. But, you know, like we talked already about the predator prey thing that like in some sense, you know, being alive requires eating other things that are alive.

Oh, okay. Yeah, I think we do that quite a lot. Anyway, without I mean, I don't I mean, it goes back to your and I don't know how to feel about this. But, you know, like we talked already about the predator prey thing that like in some sense, you know, being alive requires eating other things that are alive.

And even if you're a vegetarian or, you know, like try to have like you're like you're still eating living things like.

And even if you're a vegetarian or, you know, like try to have like you're like you're still eating living things like.

And even if you're a vegetarian or, you know, like try to have like you're like you're still eating living things like.

But I don't like thinking about them as like our technologies as a separate species. Because this again goes back to this sort of levels of selection issue. And if you think about humans individually alive, you miss the fact that societies are also alive. And so I think about it much more in the sense of

But I don't like thinking about them as like our technologies as a separate species. Because this again goes back to this sort of levels of selection issue. And if you think about humans individually alive, you miss the fact that societies are also alive. And so I think about it much more in the sense of

But I don't like thinking about them as like our technologies as a separate species. Because this again goes back to this sort of levels of selection issue. And if you think about humans individually alive, you miss the fact that societies are also alive. And so I think about it much more in the sense of

An ecosystem is not the right word, but we don't have the right words for these things of like – and this is why I talk about the technosphere. It's a system that is both human and technological. It's not human or technological. And so –

An ecosystem is not the right word, but we don't have the right words for these things of like – and this is why I talk about the technosphere. It's a system that is both human and technological. It's not human or technological. And so –

An ecosystem is not the right word, but we don't have the right words for these things of like – and this is why I talk about the technosphere. It's a system that is both human and technological. It's not human or technological. And so –

This is the part that I think we're really good for the like, and this is driving in part a lot of the sort of attitude of like, I'll kill you first with my nuclear weapons. We're really good at identifying things as other. We're not really good at understanding when we're the same or when we're part of an integrated system that's actually functioning together in some kind of cohesive way. Right.

This is the part that I think we're really good for the like, and this is driving in part a lot of the sort of attitude of like, I'll kill you first with my nuclear weapons. We're really good at identifying things as other. We're not really good at understanding when we're the same or when we're part of an integrated system that's actually functioning together in some kind of cohesive way. Right.

This is the part that I think we're really good for the like, and this is driving in part a lot of the sort of attitude of like, I'll kill you first with my nuclear weapons. We're really good at identifying things as other. We're not really good at understanding when we're the same or when we're part of an integrated system that's actually functioning together in some kind of cohesive way. Right.

Um, but, uh, but that's how societies solve problems. What it looks like for an individual is really different than the societal level outcomes. And the fact that like, there is, uh, I don't want to call it cognition or computation. I don't know what you call it, but like, there is a process playing out in the dynamics of societies that we are all individual actors in.

Um, but, uh, but that's how societies solve problems. What it looks like for an individual is really different than the societal level outcomes. And the fact that like, there is, uh, I don't want to call it cognition or computation. I don't know what you call it, but like, there is a process playing out in the dynamics of societies that we are all individual actors in.

Um, but, uh, but that's how societies solve problems. What it looks like for an individual is really different than the societal level outcomes. And the fact that like, there is, uh, I don't want to call it cognition or computation. I don't know what you call it, but like, there is a process playing out in the dynamics of societies that we are all individual actors in.

And like, we're not part of that, you know, like it requires all of us acting individually, but like this higher level structure, uh, is playing out some things and like things are getting solved for it to be able to maintain itself. And that's the level that our technologies live at. They don't live at our level.