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Right, and side note, the keys were actually attached to them when she was found, which is crazy. So anyway, I think we have a clip here that we could play where Cogswell explains that more.

Right, and side note, the keys were actually attached to them when she was found, which is crazy. So anyway, I think we have a clip here that we could play where Cogswell explains that more.

The other thing I was going to say is he talked a lot about how, where specifically where the shackle was connected to just below her elbow, that there was like rust stains. And we saw, we, the jury and just people in the room actually saw photo evidence of this, where the shackle around her forearm had rusted, you know, and she had rust marks on her skin.

The other thing I was going to say is he talked a lot about how, where specifically where the shackle was connected to just below her elbow, that there was like rust stains. And we saw, we, the jury and just people in the room actually saw photo evidence of this, where the shackle around her forearm had rusted, you know, and she had rust marks on her skin.

And so, I mean, that's just another sign of them being just such cheap, you know, material.

And so, I mean, that's just another sign of them being just such cheap, you know, material.

One more note back on this, her being in the fetal position as it relates to where her wounds were all related on one portion of her body, it proves that she was already in the fetal position during her attack, which then shows that she was very likely already shackled and cuffed.

One more note back on this, her being in the fetal position as it relates to where her wounds were all related on one portion of her body, it proves that she was already in the fetal position during her attack, which then shows that she was very likely already shackled and cuffed.

Because the defense's argument is that those cuffs and shackles were placed after the fact in order to fit her into the bags and therefore the suitcase. Right.

Because the defense's argument is that those cuffs and shackles were placed after the fact in order to fit her into the bags and therefore the suitcase. Right.

Oh, yeah. And, you know, you didn't see the images, the photos. Only the people in the courtroom did. And I keep rubbing my wrist while I'm talking because the defensive wounds on... on her left, the inside of her left wrist and all the way up into her hand through her left hand. Um, it was so bad. It was, I mean, they were just so clearly defense.

Oh, yeah. And, you know, you didn't see the images, the photos. Only the people in the courtroom did. And I keep rubbing my wrist while I'm talking because the defensive wounds on... on her left, the inside of her left wrist and all the way up into her hand through her left hand. Um, it was so bad. It was, I mean, they were just so clearly defense.

She was trying to shield her face with her one free arm.

She was trying to shield her face with her one free arm.

I am not positive. I remember seeing this question and kind of doing a little research. I don't think he was.

I am not positive. I remember seeing this question and kind of doing a little research. I don't think he was.

Yeah, we don't have confirmation about whether a plea deal was formally offered, but based on what was said in court and reported publicly, it seems the case went straight to trial without one. So Chen didn't enter a guilty plea or accept responsibility in any way before the trial. So the prosecution moved forward with a first degree murder charge seeking life without parole.

Yeah, we don't have confirmation about whether a plea deal was formally offered, but based on what was said in court and reported publicly, it seems the case went straight to trial without one. So Chen didn't enter a guilty plea or accept responsibility in any way before the trial. So the prosecution moved forward with a first degree murder charge seeking life without parole.

I mean, from the start, all I can say is, you know, only he knows the motive and the reason and the details of that night. And we may never know that unless he decides to speak about it one day.

I mean, from the start, all I can say is, you know, only he knows the motive and the reason and the details of that night. And we may never know that unless he decides to speak about it one day.