Sarrah Le Marquand

One of the times that you spoke to Stella was genuinely one of those stories.

The word privilege is overused.

I feel like I overuse it a lot, but there's no other way to describe when you trusted us with your story back in 2022.

But recovery, Jodie, what does that word mean to you?

Because obviously you've had experience of recovery from actual like alcohol addiction, recovery from mental health and depression.

But for you, it's a broader, we've all got a connection to recovery in our own life.

Yeah, absolutely.

I think, as you say, reducing the judgment and the stigma.

And I think that's part of what was so extremely powerful about you going public with your story was because there's still perceptions of what we think someone in recovery must look like.

And so many people didn't think that it was somebody that looked like you and lived this seemingly normal

shiny, glamorous, super successful life and was a woman in her late 30s who had it all and was on top of the world, but of course wasn't.

Was that part of the feedback that you've had and the work that you've done is that recovery comes in all forms and it can look nothing like what you might think it is?

Because when somebody reaches a point, whatever it is, and they think, I think I have something I want to confront, I acknowledge there's a problem and I'm ready to say I need help.

It's so heartbreaking.

It's

When there isn't then help, people don't know where to find it or if they can, as you've talked about, it's not accessible and it's financially out of reach.

So I think it's such an important message for people that when you're ready to get help, there actually is help available.

And that's what also recovery is, isn't it?

Yeah.

Is it's not linear, to use your word.