Saul Eslake

Does that mean, though, that since you came up with these theories, then did you sort of carry a sense of, I don't know, rejection with you because of that theory you had in your head?

Did you and your siblings ever talk about one day meeting your respective biological parents?

So as you say, Saul, you and your siblings went to university.

Were you always going to be an economist?

I think, Saul, there are economists who go in it because they want to make money, they like money.

But there are others who go into economics who love tracking down the data points and

assembling the hard facts of data points, bringing them together and seeing what true picture emerges.

Are you one of those economists?

So just fast forwarding through your illustrious career, you worked for some years in the public sphere, then went into the private sector.

Eventually, you rose up to become chief economist at ANZ Bank and then went to the Bank of America slash Merrill Lynch.

So if we fast forward to the 2000s now, you and your wife had adopted two children yourself.

Your daughter had been living in an orphanage in China.

Can you tell me what it was like going there to pick her up and what you remember of that day?

Once you brought Caroline home, how did that get you thinking about your own family history?

The birth certificate said that you were born with the name Richard Kimberley, and Richard, of course, is a fine name.

Saul, I'm very disappointed you've walked away, forced to walk away from that.

Who did it list as your mother, the name of your mother, and what was the name listed as your father?

So it evolved from an agency that was trying to hold everyone at a distance to an agency that was trying to connect people instead.

Was that in case you had some kind of an emotional breakdown in

That's just how it worked.