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Saum Sutaria, M.D.

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The Peter Attia Drive
#327 - Choices, costs, and challenges in US healthcare: insurance intricacies, drug pricing, economic impacts, and potential reforms | Saum Sutaria, M.D.

The vast majority of success on the exchanges has been through traditional insurers who have the foundation of the systems to do so. And the innovation in that space has come from the Medicaid insurers who adapted their processes and systems to be able to come onto the exchanges at a lower cost point. So it would be very hard. It would be very hard to do that.

The Peter Attia Drive
#327 - Choices, costs, and challenges in US healthcare: insurance intricacies, drug pricing, economic impacts, and potential reforms | Saum Sutaria, M.D.

The vast majority of success on the exchanges has been through traditional insurers who have the foundation of the systems to do so. And the innovation in that space has come from the Medicaid insurers who adapted their processes and systems to be able to come onto the exchanges at a lower cost point. So it would be very hard. It would be very hard to do that.

The Peter Attia Drive
#327 - Choices, costs, and challenges in US healthcare: insurance intricacies, drug pricing, economic impacts, and potential reforms | Saum Sutaria, M.D.

Remember, the other thing you'd have to have if you had an insurance pool, given that you have to make payments timely, is you've got to have enough capital backing the insurance risk. And so where do you raise all that capital? That's another thing.

The Peter Attia Drive
#327 - Choices, costs, and challenges in US healthcare: insurance intricacies, drug pricing, economic impacts, and potential reforms | Saum Sutaria, M.D.

Remember, the other thing you'd have to have if you had an insurance pool, given that you have to make payments timely, is you've got to have enough capital backing the insurance risk. And so where do you raise all that capital? That's another thing.

The Peter Attia Drive
#327 - Choices, costs, and challenges in US healthcare: insurance intricacies, drug pricing, economic impacts, and potential reforms | Saum Sutaria, M.D.

So the two things, we got a $4 trillion system. It's almost 20% of our GDP. It was not anything like that in the 1950s. There are a number of coverage welfare programs, if you will, that have been put into place. Many of them done in that context in that time, not only with good intention, but reasonable projections that things would not have grown like this.

The Peter Attia Drive
#327 - Choices, costs, and challenges in US healthcare: insurance intricacies, drug pricing, economic impacts, and potential reforms | Saum Sutaria, M.D.

So the two things, we got a $4 trillion system. It's almost 20% of our GDP. It was not anything like that in the 1950s. There are a number of coverage welfare programs, if you will, that have been put into place. Many of them done in that context in that time, not only with good intention, but reasonable projections that things would not have grown like this.

The Peter Attia Drive
#327 - Choices, costs, and challenges in US healthcare: insurance intricacies, drug pricing, economic impacts, and potential reforms | Saum Sutaria, M.D.

Medical innovation, I mean, just look at the number of patents in the industry and how they've grown. The combination of medical innovation, drugs, devices, service innovation, procedures, along with coverage, coverage that was disconnected from individual accountability, created a virtuous cycle of spend increase that has gotten us to this place. And it has been faster than GDP.

The Peter Attia Drive
#327 - Choices, costs, and challenges in US healthcare: insurance intricacies, drug pricing, economic impacts, and potential reforms | Saum Sutaria, M.D.

Medical innovation, I mean, just look at the number of patents in the industry and how they've grown. The combination of medical innovation, drugs, devices, service innovation, procedures, along with coverage, coverage that was disconnected from individual accountability, created a virtuous cycle of spend increase that has gotten us to this place. And it has been faster than GDP.

The Peter Attia Drive
#327 - Choices, costs, and challenges in US healthcare: insurance intricacies, drug pricing, economic impacts, and potential reforms | Saum Sutaria, M.D.

And at the same time, it hasn't broken the system because the US economy has been thriving. I mean, the arguments about affordability that we may get into would be, well, at this level of expenditure, it's draining the US economy from being competitive. Well, I'm not sure that that's actually true yet. And we can get into forecasting where it's going to go. I'm not sure that's true yet.

The Peter Attia Drive
#327 - Choices, costs, and challenges in US healthcare: insurance intricacies, drug pricing, economic impacts, and potential reforms | Saum Sutaria, M.D.

And at the same time, it hasn't broken the system because the US economy has been thriving. I mean, the arguments about affordability that we may get into would be, well, at this level of expenditure, it's draining the US economy from being competitive. Well, I'm not sure that that's actually true yet. And we can get into forecasting where it's going to go. I'm not sure that's true yet.

The Peter Attia Drive
#327 - Choices, costs, and challenges in US healthcare: insurance intricacies, drug pricing, economic impacts, and potential reforms | Saum Sutaria, M.D.

All of the dollars and benefits that have gone into creating a healthcare system have created millions and millions of jobs. If you look back over the last 20 years, healthcare has probably created more jobs as a sector than in any other sector in the United States.

The Peter Attia Drive
#327 - Choices, costs, and challenges in US healthcare: insurance intricacies, drug pricing, economic impacts, and potential reforms | Saum Sutaria, M.D.

All of the dollars and benefits that have gone into creating a healthcare system have created millions and millions of jobs. If you look back over the last 20 years, healthcare has probably created more jobs as a sector than in any other sector in the United States.

The Peter Attia Drive
#327 - Choices, costs, and challenges in US healthcare: insurance intricacies, drug pricing, economic impacts, and potential reforms | Saum Sutaria, M.D.

And what's unique about those three, putting aside the defense industry, energy, agriculture, and healthcare are the three most subsidized industries by the government. Three most subsidized industries by the government. By far, right? I mean, agriculture has been for a long time.

The Peter Attia Drive
#327 - Choices, costs, and challenges in US healthcare: insurance intricacies, drug pricing, economic impacts, and potential reforms | Saum Sutaria, M.D.

And what's unique about those three, putting aside the defense industry, energy, agriculture, and healthcare are the three most subsidized industries by the government. Three most subsidized industries by the government. By far, right? I mean, agriculture has been for a long time.

The Peter Attia Drive
#327 - Choices, costs, and challenges in US healthcare: insurance intricacies, drug pricing, economic impacts, and potential reforms | Saum Sutaria, M.D.

Energy is very much so today, not just from a national security perspective, but in terms of the innovation needed there. And healthcare has been so, again, as we said, in the US, probably since the early 1950s, certainly since 1965, when you had Medicare and Medicaid come about. And so the expenditures have just grown. Obviously, aging contributes a bit to that.

The Peter Attia Drive
#327 - Choices, costs, and challenges in US healthcare: insurance intricacies, drug pricing, economic impacts, and potential reforms | Saum Sutaria, M.D.

Energy is very much so today, not just from a national security perspective, but in terms of the innovation needed there. And healthcare has been so, again, as we said, in the US, probably since the early 1950s, certainly since 1965, when you had Medicare and Medicaid come about. And so the expenditures have just grown. Obviously, aging contributes a bit to that.

The Peter Attia Drive
#327 - Choices, costs, and challenges in US healthcare: insurance intricacies, drug pricing, economic impacts, and potential reforms | Saum Sutaria, M.D.

There are some differences we can outline with other countries if we have an interest in it, but aging contributes a little bit to that.

The Peter Attia Drive
#327 - Choices, costs, and challenges in US healthcare: insurance intricacies, drug pricing, economic impacts, and potential reforms | Saum Sutaria, M.D.

There are some differences we can outline with other countries if we have an interest in it, but aging contributes a little bit to that.

The Peter Attia Drive
#327 - Choices, costs, and challenges in US healthcare: insurance intricacies, drug pricing, economic impacts, and potential reforms | Saum Sutaria, M.D.

And then obviously, as business has grown, the value of this pre-tax benefit, as more and more people are employed, has grown to continue employer-sponsored insurance as a vehicle of private insurance to match the public programs, Medicare, Medicaid, and otherwise. And so the expenditures have grown significantly.

The Peter Attia Drive
#327 - Choices, costs, and challenges in US healthcare: insurance intricacies, drug pricing, economic impacts, and potential reforms | Saum Sutaria, M.D.

And then obviously, as business has grown, the value of this pre-tax benefit, as more and more people are employed, has grown to continue employer-sponsored insurance as a vehicle of private insurance to match the public programs, Medicare, Medicaid, and otherwise. And so the expenditures have grown significantly.