Scaachi Koul

It's so good to be with you today. I'm so glad to be here. Okay, so we're just going to start with the obvious. How did you find this story?

It's so good to be with you today. I'm so glad to be here. Okay, so we're just going to start with the obvious. How did you find this story?

Well, we have a lot of questions about Charlie. But before we get into it, I'm curious why you wanted to explore the scammer side of these calls. I think they're usually really dominated by stories around like how consumers are impacted and what it means and what happens to us. But no one's always thinking about like who's doing this and why. I think that's really true.

Well, we have a lot of questions about Charlie. But before we get into it, I'm curious why you wanted to explore the scammer side of these calls. I think they're usually really dominated by stories around like how consumers are impacted and what it means and what happens to us. But no one's always thinking about like who's doing this and why. I think that's really true.

I would imagine verifying these stories was probably really hard because people get nervous or really anxious about sharing information. But you're also talking about a story that's about scams, people who scam and people who are lying. So how do you determine who to trust, what to trust, and how do you know where to put your faith and what is like undeniably true in this story? Yeah.

I would imagine verifying these stories was probably really hard because people get nervous or really anxious about sharing information. But you're also talking about a story that's about scams, people who scam and people who are lying. So how do you determine who to trust, what to trust, and how do you know where to put your faith and what is like undeniably true in this story? Yeah.

Did you go to a recruiting lunch or any of the recruiting groups?

Did you go to a recruiting lunch or any of the recruiting groups?

No such thing as a free lunch, but may as well find out.

No such thing as a free lunch, but may as well find out.

OK, so at the center of the story is Charlie. And on Scamfluencers, we cover people who are often just straight up awful. But we do have a lot of stories where we can kind of sympathize with the person becoming a scammer, which I think is where Charlie lands. She's a victim. She got scammed. Her brother is in danger. She keeps digging the hole she's in deeper and deeper.

OK, so at the center of the story is Charlie. And on Scamfluencers, we cover people who are often just straight up awful. But we do have a lot of stories where we can kind of sympathize with the person becoming a scammer, which I think is where Charlie lands. She's a victim. She got scammed. Her brother is in danger. She keeps digging the hole she's in deeper and deeper.

But at the end of the day, she commits real crimes in order to get what she wants. So I'm curious how you navigated having such a complicated main character. Did your understanding of Charlie change from the first meeting over the course of reporting the story? I feel like your feelings must have changed as you were working on this.

But at the end of the day, she commits real crimes in order to get what she wants. So I'm curious how you navigated having such a complicated main character. Did your understanding of Charlie change from the first meeting over the course of reporting the story? I feel like your feelings must have changed as you were working on this.

So the way that Charlie eventually finds herself out of this trap is through a man named Colonel. And he starts off skeptical of her involvement with the syndicate, but eventually he changes his mind. So what do you think it was about Charlie that made him feel like he could actually trust her?

So the way that Charlie eventually finds herself out of this trap is through a man named Colonel. And he starts off skeptical of her involvement with the syndicate, but eventually he changes his mind. So what do you think it was about Charlie that made him feel like he could actually trust her?

Wow. So we're talking a lot about family obligation. And I was really shocked when Josh agrees to go into the compound after Max, even after he learns about what the circumstances are. Why does Josh go in?

Wow. So we're talking a lot about family obligation. And I was really shocked when Josh agrees to go into the compound after Max, even after he learns about what the circumstances are. Why does Josh go in?

It just seems like everything is set up to be the perfect circumstance for Dev to take advantage of these people. Like, he can use Charlie's brother and then her brothers as leverage to keep Charlie doing what he wants. It's so evil. Yeah, 100%.

It just seems like everything is set up to be the perfect circumstance for Dev to take advantage of these people. Like, he can use Charlie's brother and then her brothers as leverage to keep Charlie doing what he wants. It's so evil. Yeah, 100%.