Dwarkesh Podcast
2027 Intelligence Explosion: Month-by-Month Model β Scott Alexander & Daniel Kokotajlo
I don't know if I have that much interesting things to say there.
Dwarkesh Podcast
2027 Intelligence Explosion: Month-by-Month Model β Scott Alexander & Daniel Kokotajlo
I mean, I think one thing is fear is a huge factor.
Dwarkesh Podcast
2027 Intelligence Explosion: Month-by-Month Model β Scott Alexander & Daniel Kokotajlo
I was like so afraid during that whole process, more afraid than I needed to be in retrospect.
Dwarkesh Podcast
2027 Intelligence Explosion: Month-by-Month Model β Scott Alexander & Daniel Kokotajlo
And another thing is that like legality is a huge factor, at least for people like me.
Dwarkesh Podcast
2027 Intelligence Explosion: Month-by-Month Model β Scott Alexander & Daniel Kokotajlo
I think, like, in retrospect, it was like, oh, yeah, like, the public's on your side.
Dwarkesh Podcast
2027 Intelligence Explosion: Month-by-Month Model β Scott Alexander & Daniel Kokotajlo
The employees are on your side.
Dwarkesh Podcast
2027 Intelligence Explosion: Month-by-Month Model β Scott Alexander & Daniel Kokotajlo
Like, you're just, like, obviously on the right here, you know?
Dwarkesh Podcast
2027 Intelligence Explosion: Month-by-Month Model β Scott Alexander & Daniel Kokotajlo
But at the time, I was like, oh, no, like, I don't want to accidentally, like, violate the law and get sued.
Dwarkesh Podcast
2027 Intelligence Explosion: Month-by-Month Model β Scott Alexander & Daniel Kokotajlo
Like, I don't want to go too far.
Dwarkesh Podcast
2027 Intelligence Explosion: Month-by-Month Model β Scott Alexander & Daniel Kokotajlo
Like, I don't know.
Dwarkesh Podcast
2027 Intelligence Explosion: Month-by-Month Model β Scott Alexander & Daniel Kokotajlo
I was just, like, so afraid of various things.
Dwarkesh Podcast
2027 Intelligence Explosion: Month-by-Month Model β Scott Alexander & Daniel Kokotajlo
In particular, I was afraid of breaking the law.
Dwarkesh Podcast
2027 Intelligence Explosion: Month-by-Month Model β Scott Alexander & Daniel Kokotajlo
Um, and so like one of the things that I would advocate for with whistleblower protections is just like simply making it legal to go talk to the government and say, we're doing a secret intelligence explosion.
Dwarkesh Podcast
2027 Intelligence Explosion: Month-by-Month Model β Scott Alexander & Daniel Kokotajlo
I think it's dangerous for these reasons is better than nothing.
Dwarkesh Podcast
2027 Intelligence Explosion: Month-by-Month Model β Scott Alexander & Daniel Kokotajlo
Like, I think there's going to be like some fraction of people who, for which that would make the difference, like whether it's just literally allowed or not legally makes a difference independently of whether there's some law that says you're protected from retaliation or whatever, just like literally just making it legal.
Dwarkesh Podcast
2027 Intelligence Explosion: Month-by-Month Model β Scott Alexander & Daniel Kokotajlo
Um,
Dwarkesh Podcast
2027 Intelligence Explosion: Month-by-Month Model β Scott Alexander & Daniel Kokotajlo
Yeah, I think that's one thing.
Dwarkesh Podcast
2027 Intelligence Explosion: Month-by-Month Model β Scott Alexander & Daniel Kokotajlo
Another thing is the incentives actually work.
Dwarkesh Podcast
2027 Intelligence Explosion: Month-by-Month Model β Scott Alexander & Daniel Kokotajlo
Like, money is a powerful motivator, you know?
Dwarkesh Podcast
2027 Intelligence Explosion: Month-by-Month Model β Scott Alexander & Daniel Kokotajlo
And fear of getting sued is a powerful motivator.