Scott Barry Kaufman

The people that can go into an IQ testing, one of our sessions, be like A, C, B, D, and get like a strongly off the charts IQ.

Oftentimes the ones that are not learning implicitly.

It's like a seesaw.

Sometimes the thing on one side causing you challenges brings you up in another way.

He sees this especially amongst so-called 2E kids.

2E stands for twice exceptional, where you have a profound, extraordinary difficulty or challenge in your life, and you also have a profound...

gift or talent or ability.

But there are people that really do have profound difficulties and profound gifts and talents in one body.

Absolutely.

I saw that just going all the way back to the sixth grade, Scott, who heard the announcement on the speaker, gifted kids go to their room.

I sensed in my gut there's something much more complicated about humans than the way that

We're dividing and sorting people here.

And I still believe it.

And I believe it in so many ways, like hidden ways that we don't explicitly acknowledge in our society.

Old systems, especially in an education system, but you also see it in organizations and hiring practices.

It goes deep, this stuff.

A lot of these assumptions we have about human potential that are really outdated and just wrong.

I was really happy.

I was pumped.

I just had a nice weightlifting session and I'm running and I cross a man on a bench and I feel something in my gut, like dread.