Scott Carney

I climbed up Mount Kilimanjaro with him.

It was negative 30 degrees out.

I was in my underwear.

There's,

You know, the photos are relatively famous.

And I wrote this New York Times bestselling book about Wim and sort of the power of cold and breath work.

And I really launched his career into the stratosphere where now he's like mega super famous, movies about him and all that stuff.

And so that was part of my ride.

And I've since come to realize that once you get really popular, really powerful, have a lot of money coming into you, because I knew him when he was a nobody.

you end up becoming that guru that I feared in the first place.

You end up becoming the guy who is corrupt and dangerous and does get people killed.

So that's sort of where I am.

That's a real... That's going through a lot of my books.

That's not all of my books, but that's a lot of my books.

James Arthur Ray.

Yeah.

Didn't someone die?

Multiple people died in the sweat lodge in Arizona.

This was in 20, I want to say 15.

I might be wrong.