Scott Detrow

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It's Consider This from NPR.

In just one year, the Trump administration has pushed the window of what is possible in politics so far that its opposition just seems exhausted.

Ashley Parker wrote about this for The Atlantic.

Ashley, thanks for joining us.

I want to start with the title of your essay.

The president has had this term for critics for years now that they suffer from Trump derangement syndrome.

And you wrote that there's been so little meaningful resistance this term that we might think about Trump exhaustion syndrome instead.

Can you tell me more about what you're thinking about with that?

I think you also gave a really good example when you talked about the boiling frog.

You walk through the series of events leading up to the seizure of Nicolas Maduro in Venezuela.

Can you recap kind of how we got from point A to point B without any of the steps feeling overly dramatic?

And a lot of opinion polls along the way showed that by and large, a lot of these steps did have broad, if not a majority, you know, from time to time, a good chunk of Americans were on board with each of these steps.

Mm-hmm.

And that all sets the stage for the most recent seizure of another country's president who's brought to the United States and put on trial.

And maybe as Steve Bannon put it, a lot of people who read The Atlantic are upset about this.

But maybe Americans are actually on board with a lot of this.

And the pushback to steps toward authoritarianism is a lot different than maybe what we thought it would be in high school social studies.

I mean, what is your sense a year into the second term

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