Scott Detrow

That particular issue, I feel like, is a hard one to square. How do you feel about it?

That particular issue, I feel like, is a hard one to square. How do you feel about it?

There's this long line of various high-profile cabinet secretaries who... more traditional Republicans hope can be a moderating influence. I think the first Secretary of State under Trump, Rex Tillerson, is a good example of that. And he ended up being humiliated when he was fired and then mocked by President Trump and others in the administration.

There's this long line of various high-profile cabinet secretaries who... more traditional Republicans hope can be a moderating influence. I think the first Secretary of State under Trump, Rex Tillerson, is a good example of that. And he ended up being humiliated when he was fired and then mocked by President Trump and others in the administration.

There's this long line of various high-profile cabinet secretaries who... more traditional Republicans hope can be a moderating influence. I think the first Secretary of State under Trump, Rex Tillerson, is a good example of that. And he ended up being humiliated when he was fired and then mocked by President Trump and others in the administration.

How much influence can you have over foreign policy when you're a Secretary of State who is not seemingly one of the key decision makers in the presidency?

How much influence can you have over foreign policy when you're a Secretary of State who is not seemingly one of the key decision makers in the presidency?

How much influence can you have over foreign policy when you're a Secretary of State who is not seemingly one of the key decision makers in the presidency?

So what does that mean for policy?

So what does that mean for policy?

So what does that mean for policy?

That's Daniel Dresner, professor of international politics at Tufts University. Thank you so much.

That's Daniel Dresner, professor of international politics at Tufts University. Thank you so much.

That's Daniel Dresner, professor of international politics at Tufts University. Thank you so much.

This episode was produced by Erica Ryan and Brianna Scott with audio engineering by Ted Meebane. It was edited by Courtney Dorning. Our executive producer is Sammy Yannigan. It's Consider This from NPR. I'm Scott Detrow.

This episode was produced by Erica Ryan and Brianna Scott with audio engineering by Ted Meebane. It was edited by Courtney Dorning. Our executive producer is Sammy Yannigan. It's Consider This from NPR. I'm Scott Detrow.

This episode was produced by Erica Ryan and Brianna Scott with audio engineering by Ted Meebane. It was edited by Courtney Dorning. Our executive producer is Sammy Yannigan. It's Consider This from NPR. I'm Scott Detrow.

We have the experience of President Trump's first term where the tariffs did not affect prices. And it's a holistic approach that there will be tariffs, there will be cuts in regulation, there will be cheaper energy.

We have the experience of President Trump's first term where the tariffs did not affect prices. And it's a holistic approach that there will be tariffs, there will be cuts in regulation, there will be cheaper energy.

We have the experience of President Trump's first term where the tariffs did not affect prices. And it's a holistic approach that there will be tariffs, there will be cuts in regulation, there will be cheaper energy.