Scott Galloway

feels as if it's such an indictment on U.S.

priorities that a lesson from this is that soft power is underrated and hard power is overrated.

Correct.

And we've just gotten it all wrong.

So to the extent that you're willing, I'm going to ask each of you to speculate what these regions or what might happen.

And let's go 12 months out, Russia and Iran.

And I realize nobody has a crystal ball, so this is pure speculation.

But if

If you were to try and game theory this, I know you each advise governments and think tanks.

Sitting here in a year, hoping and trusting you'll come back on the podcast, what do you think we'll be looking at in terms of the situation in Ukraine and Iran?

Anne, I'll start with you.

And there's Twitter to remind you.

Fiona?

Yeah, I take two things away from this, or two major things away from this conversation.

One,

going all the way back to Lincoln, that you can't win a war without public support and you can't lose it with it.

And two, what Anne was referencing, operating system.

We used to be the operating system for two-thirds of the world's economy.

It's been cut to a third because Canada, Europe, Latin America have decided they need to develop their own operating system and protect their own interests more vigorously.

And what people don't realize is that that likely might be the greatest shift in power or the greatest erosion or forfeiture of power