Scott Horton

And then there was already kind of this pre-existing right-wing patriot conspiracy community at that time, which had interpreted that phrase because it had been used in the sense in the past as- New world order.

Yeah, like the plan to build a real one world federal government under the United Nations, which is not really right.

And that's not what Bush meant by it.

but that's what i thought he meant by it and he was after all saying that they were the ones who authorized america to go to war or not which you know and there was like the controversy he may be too young for this but there's a guy named michael new who is uh serving in bosnia as a peacekeeper in 95 96 and he objected to being forced to wear a un patch because he was saying that you know this

like we're building their empire kind of thing and serving as in a subservient role when really that wasn't true like the the patch was just a sop to the allies but it was an american dominated thing all along but anyway that was kind of a big controversy at that time was and bill clinton would talk that way too and in fact um oh i have something for you here these are my last two books holy look at this thing dude it's like a phone book

Don't be intimidated.

That's like one third footnotes.

There's 8,000 citations in there for you.

So you know I'm right about everything.

But sort of the first two chapters of that, it's how Washington started the new cold war with Russia and the catastrophe in Ukraine.

And the first two chapters that are in a way me kind of coming to grips with how wrong I was back then.

Like for one example, they never, I mean, this may be the main example.

They never wanted to integrate Russia into NATO and into America's international security system.

They always wanted to keep them on the outside.

but they lied to them all along and then i also kind of fell for those lies in a way because they would say oh yeah no we definitely want to do this with you and whatever with them which i took to be the big threat so for example in 1997 they created the nato russia council which was you know as they put an alliance with the alliance and they were telling the russians essentially you'll never be part of our group but we'll let you like sit in the waiting room was essentially what it was

I looked at it and was like, oh no, see, they're integrating Russia into NATO and they'll have a one world army of the north and then it'll be a world government and the thing.

And then, so what I thought was going on at that time was really not right.

Then I went back and, you know, obviously had to completely, you know, restudy that whole era of history.

And as I have over the last 20 years since then.

but so this is you know basically the john birch society conspiracy theory of the the coming one world government that never comes uh so that was what really got me interested in it all and it was also is the era of the waco massacre and the massive cover-up of the oklahoma bombing was a bunch of government informants that helped mcveigh do it and they were allowed to all get away with it because being government informants that means a bunch of fbi agents would have to get in trouble for all their prior knowledge that they didn't act on appropriately and so they just buried that and made all that go away but again that kind of