Scott Horton

Let's get real, and I think we're agreed about this, probably, that in 2002—

W. Bush could have just sent Colin Powell, the four-star general, former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Secretary of State, to read the riot act to Saddam Hussein and tell him, look, man, you help keep al-Qaeda down and we'll let you live, and everything would have been fine.

And in fact, just like Saddam Hussein, and there's a great article by James Risen.

I don't agree.

Hang on, hang on now.

There's an article by James Risen in the New York Times, and there's another one by Seymour Hersh as well about how Saddam Hussein offered to give in on everything.

He said, you want to search for weapons of mass destruction?

You can send your army and FBI everywhere you want.

You want us to switch sides in the Israel-Palestine conflict?

We'll stop backing Hamas.

You want us to hold elections?

We'll hold elections.

Just give us a couple of years.

If this is about the oil, we'll sign over mineral rights.

This is James Risen, New York Times.

They sent an emissary to meet with Richard Perle in London.

That was who was the chair of the Defense Policy Board and was a major ringleader of getting us into Iraq War II.

And then they, I don't know why, this is a real mistake.

You want to talk about Zahm's mistakes.

Why does he always send his guys to meet with Richard Perle?