Scott MacFarlane

And you have a lower threshold.

You don't have to get the entire grand jury to go along with something.

It's just a subset of grand jurors who need to sign off on an indictment.

But we are seeing examples of it.

I can count a half dozen just in Washington, D.C.

alone.

We've seen them in Virginia.

We've seen them elsewhere across the country where grand jurors have taken a stand and said no to the administration.

And that stuff's contagious, Don.

The word gets around about that.

Grand jurors do not live in a bubble.

And this gets more and more difficult for any arm of the Department of Justice to make a case

the more times grand jurors stand up and say no.

And trial jurors are pretty good at that too.

I'll go back to that sandwich throwing monstrosity of a case from 2025 in Washington.

Grand jurors said no.

Trump administration did an end run to get that case charged anyhow.

Then a trial jury said no, like in minutes, like at the time that it would take to eat the free jury lunch.

They went back and said no.

So there is a barrier.