Scott Mann

You certainly have evidence of gangs here now from the diaspora of Afghanistan, where there are Taliban-affiliated gangs, much like you have gangs in Minneapolis that are affiliated with al-Shabaab.

And that's very important to note as well, because once you have those, you have now tribal linkages, you have international linkages, and they're in the criminal realm as well, right?

So they're narco-trafficking as well, and they're tied into international gangs.

So you've already got a nexus right there.

And there is growing evidence of Taliban-affiliated gangs in the United States because of the, how many, 100,000 Afghans we brought over here, right?

And a lot of them, we don't know who they are, right?

And their kids are now 17, 18 years old.

There's videos out of, and there's even, there's been videos of Afghans going back to, as gang members, going back to Afghanistan and shooting videos.

Wow.

Well, I think it's very possible.

I mean, first of all, because it makes sense, doesn't it?

I mean, that if you were going to do high-profile targeting and you wanted to hit morale and, you know, I think you've got to back it up to what would be the objectives of terror attacks in the West by groups like al-Qaeda or ISIS-K.

And certainly we talked about the caliphate as a long-term objective, but...

You know, establishing a level of what my friend Dave Phillips, who used to work at the agency, he calls horrorism.

It's beyond terrorism.

It's a level of horror that is manifested in our psyche, in our heart, where you are just literally, I mean, look at what happened on October 7th.

You know, that was horrorism.

That was beyond terrorism.

That was a level of atrocity and violence that is nowhere in the law of land warfare.

Like, just beyond the pale.