Scott Mann

And then the other thing that really bothers me is that no one is engaging any elements at all of the resistance just on the intel side. I mean, when they've made clear and overt offerings to help with that and to just, to give a competing perspective, zero. And so that, to corroborate what Sarah's saying in that front, at least, there is no competing threat picture.

And then the other thing that really bothers me is that no one is engaging any elements at all of the resistance just on the intel side. I mean, when they've made clear and overt offerings to help with that and to just, to give a competing perspective, zero. And so that, to corroborate what Sarah's saying in that front, at least, there is no competing threat picture.

This was the father of suicide bombing in Afghanistan.

This was the father of suicide bombing in Afghanistan.

This was the father of suicide bombing in Afghanistan.

When we were in Vienna and we interviewed Massoud, right, one of the things that he said, both on and off camera, was to really, really pay attention to surrogates, to really pay attention to, he said, you know, Al Qaeda and the Taliban have learned a lot. They are not going to allow themselves to be at the forefront. And then he even said, ISIS is more than happy to do that.

When we were in Vienna and we interviewed Massoud, right, one of the things that he said, both on and off camera, was to really, really pay attention to surrogates, to really pay attention to, he said, you know, Al Qaeda and the Taliban have learned a lot. They are not going to allow themselves to be at the forefront. And then he even said, ISIS is more than happy to do that.

When we were in Vienna and we interviewed Massoud, right, one of the things that he said, both on and off camera, was to really, really pay attention to surrogates, to really pay attention to, he said, you know, Al Qaeda and the Taliban have learned a lot. They are not going to allow themselves to be at the forefront. And then he even said, ISIS is more than happy to do that.

You know, he said this back in June. I've had conference. Sally has said the same thing. I mean, very, very well placed individuals who are cautioning us about this role of surrogates and that what you see is not exactly what you get. And this is these warnings are coming from the same people who warned us pre 9-11, you know, and we ignored it.

You know, he said this back in June. I've had conference. Sally has said the same thing. I mean, very, very well placed individuals who are cautioning us about this role of surrogates and that what you see is not exactly what you get. And this is these warnings are coming from the same people who warned us pre 9-11, you know, and we ignored it.

You know, he said this back in June. I've had conference. Sally has said the same thing. I mean, very, very well placed individuals who are cautioning us about this role of surrogates and that what you see is not exactly what you get. And this is these warnings are coming from the same people who warned us pre 9-11, you know, and we ignored it.

We ignored it and we look at the strategic surprise and how our world changed. And I think that's what, at least for me, that's where I'm coming from. I mean, honest to God, I don't even maintain a clearance anymore. I don't. I left the military in 2013. I retired and was happy to do so. Had a good run and pursuing other things. But a whole bunch of veterans have been drawn back into this thing.

We ignored it and we look at the strategic surprise and how our world changed. And I think that's what, at least for me, that's where I'm coming from. I mean, honest to God, I don't even maintain a clearance anymore. I don't. I left the military in 2013. I retired and was happy to do so. Had a good run and pursuing other things. But a whole bunch of veterans have been drawn back into this thing.

We ignored it and we look at the strategic surprise and how our world changed. And I think that's what, at least for me, that's where I'm coming from. I mean, honest to God, I don't even maintain a clearance anymore. I don't. I left the military in 2013. I retired and was happy to do so. Had a good run and pursuing other things. But a whole bunch of veterans have been drawn back into this thing.

And the stuff that we're talking about is not even on the high side Security style. It's not. It is not even in, as Sarah said, it's not in the IC channels. These are conversations that are happening in real time between veterans and abandoned assets that, for the best I can tell, this has not been consolidated with the intelligence community in a meaningful way since the abandonment.

And the stuff that we're talking about is not even on the high side Security style. It's not. It is not even in, as Sarah said, it's not in the IC channels. These are conversations that are happening in real time between veterans and abandoned assets that, for the best I can tell, this has not been consolidated with the intelligence community in a meaningful way since the abandonment.

And the stuff that we're talking about is not even on the high side Security style. It's not. It is not even in, as Sarah said, it's not in the IC channels. These are conversations that are happening in real time between veterans and abandoned assets that, for the best I can tell, this has not been consolidated with the intelligence community in a meaningful way since the abandonment.

And so if we don't do that, how in the world are we going to actually have any kind of a responsible threat picture on what's coming our way? And how can we say with certainty that we do? That's my point. Because until that reckoning happens, you've got literally two different worlds here.

And so if we don't do that, how in the world are we going to actually have any kind of a responsible threat picture on what's coming our way? And how can we say with certainty that we do? That's my point. Because until that reckoning happens, you've got literally two different worlds here.

And so if we don't do that, how in the world are we going to actually have any kind of a responsible threat picture on what's coming our way? And how can we say with certainty that we do? That's my point. Because until that reckoning happens, you've got literally two different worlds here.