Scott Mann

And so you had veterans and others stepping in, just doing the best they could, and they did okay, we did all right.

Nothing near what the government could have done in that case.

I mean, my buddy Duke said it was an Uncle Sam-sized problem with veterans trying to solve it with their pension funds.

But we did move the needle.

And it just stuck with me.

I'm like, wow.

And where it took me back, Sean, the first time I ever heard this saying, nobody was coming, was we had just deployed to Afghanistan in 04.

And one of the, we just got there, and one of the Blackwater CASAs crashed on a mountain, a CASA 212, way up in the Hindu Kush.

And we were down in Kandahar.

The crash happened up in Bamiyan, way up at like 15,000 feet.

But I was the ops end director, you know, the operations center director for an SF battalion.

And so I kind of commanded, not commanded, but controlled and coordinated the actions of all the teams that would go in and go out.

And one of the teams that,

had trained in high altitude rescue, personnel recovery before coming over and had done a lot of work in that regard.

And Mark was the team sergeant of that team.

And as soon as he heard about the crash over the sat radio, he came running and he's like, we can get up there.

We could get up there.

If we could get, he's like, they don't have much time.

And at first I kind of like, yeah, okay, you know, whatever.

And he just stayed on me.