Scott Mann

But it is exactly...

the kind of upswing that the country's gonna need.

And I think if precedent is our guide, what that did was it also put a tremendous pressure on politicians.

Most of the reforms in the National Park Service against monopolies, Theodore Roosevelt did during that period because of the pressure that was coming from the bottom up.

So there's a lot of macro level precedent, Sean, for this.

This isn't just little boy whistling in the dark.

I mean, like this stuff actually works and what we, we just need to make sure though, that we equip these, and I'm not talking about, I'm talking about just good civic leadership.

I'm not talking about like armed uprisings or anything.

I'm talking about just good civic leadership by community-based leaders, business owners, nonprofit leaders who see nobody's coming, okay, I'll do it.

And plus we've got the advent of this technology, the phones and it can, that's what made Pineapple possible.

It's what made the petition possible was actually putting into play this technology to do that.

And so I think there's still reason for hope.

I really do, but we can't be amateurish about it and we can't be casual about it.

We've got to train ourselves.

We've got to be great communicators.

We've got to be able to build these networks you were talking about.

And it can't be discovery learning.

Like it's gotta be, you gotta have game.

And we don't have a lot of time.

Yeah.