Seamus Bradley

I think people like getting the local food and they can get things like the white turnips they can't get in the shops.

And the beetroot that you get fresh is completely different from getting a jar of pickled beetroot.

And what does a box work out at a week?

A weekly box is €20.

The only thing is, the model is that they get what I produce.

They can't pick and choose.

They can't say, I don't want beetroot, but I'll take extra onions.

I couldn't see cap payments going back to being based on a livestock unit.

You know, like our headage payment or anything like that.

I didn't think that was the way to go.

I didn't see that as a way forward.

Why not?

If there was tomorrow morning diesel, fertiliser, soybean meal stock coming into the country, a lot of that...

so-called security would be shown for what it is.

It's not true sustainability.

Yeah, yeah, I do.

And I think small-scale and local production that's not as intensive has a role to play in that security, you know, the food security that is an ambition of not just the Irish government but the EU government.

People, like large-scale farmers, would dismiss it as a farm at all.

It's called a hobby garden, I suppose.

And I think I was a bit dismissive of it, and it undervalues the role it plays in not just local food security, but also in meeting sustainability targets and meeting the space for nature requirement and that kind of thing, because...