Sean Penn

But if you're at the same place politically when you're older as you were when you're younger, I think you're adding a problem to the world.

Yeah.

It's interesting.

I just remembered, I brought my family on a safari many years ago.

And we went out to visit a very unhabituated, in terms of tourists, Maasai tribe.

They'd never seen white people before.

And I said to our guide, who had come from that tribe, but actually had gone off to university and come back.

I said, it's so incredible, it's so enriching to see a culture so preserved.

And he said, don't do that.

He said, anything that remains static dies.

And I think that in this country, if this can be a turning point, this Charlie Kirk thing, in a positive, that's true for his supporters in honoring the memory of the guy or for his detractors.

It's understanding that we are not going to be what we were before.

We can be better, we can be worse.

But what's going to be the architecture of the new America?

I think that's where we can put our hope and encouragement and our imagination, which is really the only thing that's going to get us anywhere.

I wasn't aware of it.

I was kind of off-grid for a few weeks.

I'm catching up now, so I haven't heard about this.

Typically, I kind of have an allergy to movements or group things.

I think coming out of the 1960s were...