Sean Penn

We've been in Ukraine since day one.

We're working in Sudan.

And so we have people who are, you know, they know the risks of where they're going and so on.

But part of my job is, you know, rational consideration of risk-benefit.

And my feeling right from go was I don't trust any of our governmental organizational contacts on either side.

I'm not ready to ask our people to go there.

And I had friends whose organizations went in, and they lost some people.

And so, yeah, so I'm sure that we will at some point engage with the aftermath of that situation, but we have not to date.

that there's going to be a time where it's going to affect things in a negative way.

I would even say that the majority of the mainstream press does that more than not.

Wait, does what more than not?

Adversely affects society.

Huh.

You know, these kind of editorial screaming matches between non-experts has become the fashion of the day.

Taking up our valuable...

airtime and time that we need to be informed about what's really going on in the world and how all of us have a responsibility to engage and do something about it, whatever that little or big thing is.

Which is only to say, there was a lot of bullshit, but it didn't matter because I should have seen that bullshit coming.

And so how do you not immunize yourself, but how do you immunize the impact of the story?

And you do have to consider that.

You do have to consider the optics when you step out into that ring, for sure.