Sean Rameswaram

How come? Because he wasn't put in charge of agriculture?

How come? Because he wasn't put in charge of agriculture?

How come? Because he wasn't put in charge of agriculture?

It sounds like what you're saying, Kenny, is that the only way this would actually change and there'd be enough attention on factory farming to actually achieve political change would be if there were something as catastrophic as, like, A bird flu pandemic.

It sounds like what you're saying, Kenny, is that the only way this would actually change and there'd be enough attention on factory farming to actually achieve political change would be if there were something as catastrophic as, like, A bird flu pandemic.

It sounds like what you're saying, Kenny, is that the only way this would actually change and there'd be enough attention on factory farming to actually achieve political change would be if there were something as catastrophic as, like, A bird flu pandemic.

So that leaves us where? It's on us, the consumers, to make different choices.

So that leaves us where? It's on us, the consumers, to make different choices.

So that leaves us where? It's on us, the consumers, to make different choices.

Kenny Torello, Vox.com. He also makes music. In fact, all of the music you heard on today's show came from Kenny, who goes by Torello when he's dropping beats. Kenny's reporting was supported by Animal Charity Evaluators, which received a grant from the Builders Initiative. And Vox's future perfect fellow, Sam Delgado, assisted with Kenny's reporting. Thank you, Sam.

Kenny Torello, Vox.com. He also makes music. In fact, all of the music you heard on today's show came from Kenny, who goes by Torello when he's dropping beats. Kenny's reporting was supported by Animal Charity Evaluators, which received a grant from the Builders Initiative. And Vox's future perfect fellow, Sam Delgado, assisted with Kenny's reporting. Thank you, Sam.

Kenny Torello, Vox.com. He also makes music. In fact, all of the music you heard on today's show came from Kenny, who goes by Torello when he's dropping beats. Kenny's reporting was supported by Animal Charity Evaluators, which received a grant from the Builders Initiative. And Vox's future perfect fellow, Sam Delgado, assisted with Kenny's reporting. Thank you, Sam.

Miles Bryan produced this episode. Amina Alsadi edited. Laura Bullard fact-checked. Andrea Christen's daughter and Patrick Boyd mixed. I'm Sean Ramos-Firm, and it's Today Explained.

Miles Bryan produced this episode. Amina Alsadi edited. Laura Bullard fact-checked. Andrea Christen's daughter and Patrick Boyd mixed. I'm Sean Ramos-Firm, and it's Today Explained.

Miles Bryan produced this episode. Amina Alsadi edited. Laura Bullard fact-checked. Andrea Christen's daughter and Patrick Boyd mixed. I'm Sean Ramos-Firm, and it's Today Explained.

It's officially been a month now, and to his credit, President Trump waited almost an entire month before doing a 180 on U.S.-Russia relations. Trump had a nice long phone call with Vladimir Putin about a week ago. Ukraine was not invited.

It's officially been a month now, and to his credit, President Trump waited almost an entire month before doing a 180 on U.S.-Russia relations. Trump had a nice long phone call with Vladimir Putin about a week ago. Ukraine was not invited.

It's officially been a month now, and to his credit, President Trump waited almost an entire month before doing a 180 on U.S.-Russia relations. Trump had a nice long phone call with Vladimir Putin about a week ago. Ukraine was not invited.

And then on Tuesday, Trump blamed Ukraine for being invaded by Russia. And then to top it off, on Truth Social yesterday, he called Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky a dictator without elections. Shortly thereafter, on that same website, Trump called himself a king. Totally cool, normal stuff. But you might be old enough to remember the United States being on Ukraine's side of this war.

And then on Tuesday, Trump blamed Ukraine for being invaded by Russia. And then to top it off, on Truth Social yesterday, he called Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky a dictator without elections. Shortly thereafter, on that same website, Trump called himself a king. Totally cool, normal stuff. But you might be old enough to remember the United States being on Ukraine's side of this war.