Seb Coe

And if you went back to Tom Tellez back in the 80s, he would tell you at the same time that his work with Carl Lewis

was about his work on the track.

And yeah, the shoes probably helped Carl, but they weren't anywhere near the full story.

So the coaches, if you were interviewing a coach, they'd bite back quite hard here on that.

What I'm happy to concede is they're more important than they... They're higher up that list than they probably were.

And if they're still, you know, if they're still towards the bottom of that list, they're probably still more important than they were.

That I readily accept.

And track surfaces as well.

You know, the track surfaces now are entirely different from what they were even five years ago.

So the question I ask you is really where, is this where this podcast was leading to?

So that you get the sanction from the World Athletics President to be able to run with your illegal shoes?

I wish you the best of luck.

I have no jurisdiction over whatever you wear.

You could be wearing ballet pumps.

I won my first road race, and I'm now going to carbon date myself.

And I think they're quite sought after again.

I won my first road race at the age of 14 in a pair of Dunlop Green Flash in Huddersfield.

I'm trying really hard not to sound like the three Yorkshiremen off the Monty Python sketch.

So we've come a long way.

I'll call my experts off you at the finishing line.