Senator Brian Schatz

And as those prices come in, there's no poll, there's no talking point, there's no AI, there's no accusation, there's no invasion of an American city or a blowing up of a fishing vessel that can distract people from the fact that

they made a deliberate policy choice and it's gonna double the cost of healthcare for tens of millions of Americans.

And so it's starting to sink in.

I think the challenge for them now is how do they get out of this without looking like they caved, right?

And that's the sort of art of legislative compromise, is that in order to get something enacted, we're going to have to allow them to tell themselves a story about why they did this.

And I think it probably starts with Donald Trump, who doesn't like to do deeply unpopular things to people in rural areas if he can avoid it.

Obviously, the tariffs are a terrible counterexample.

So, you know, I frankly don't exactly know how this ends, but I know how it starts.

It starts with enough.

momentum and political support so that people not just, you know, I love your podcast and I love the work you're doing and I watch it and listen to it, but it's got to be people across the political spectrum, people who even may have voted for Trump and now have mixed feelings or people who don't generally vote or people who are, you know, sort of begrudgingly voted for Democrats or whatever.

It's got to be everybody saying like, hey, idiots, you got to fix this thing.

Yeah, Donald Trump likes shortages.

That's his political philosophy, his economic philosophy, shortages of food and healthcare and labor and raw materials and, in this case, electrons.

I think...

You know, I'm a climate guy.

I'm motivated and animated by the planetary crisis.

And for basically all my political career, which is now

a little more than 25 years, I have been making an argument which I believe that, look, we've got to take action on the planetary crisis, but sometimes that might be slightly more expensive in the short run because it's worth it in the long run, okay?

Now, I made that argument with all of my sincerity.

Here's what's changed.