Senator Brian Schatz
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Well, first of all, it's a total outrage. And it's not just some sort of like... You know, Trump taking some papers back to Mar-a-Lago or Biden taking some papers back to his residence. Like, both of those are improper, and frankly, I was gobsmacked by it. Like, when I go into a classified session, I just go in, you know, sort of hands-free so that I don't accidentally walk out with anything.
Well, first of all, it's a total outrage. And it's not just some sort of like... You know, Trump taking some papers back to Mar-a-Lago or Biden taking some papers back to his residence. Like, both of those are improper, and frankly, I was gobsmacked by it. Like, when I go into a classified session, I just go in, you know, sort of hands-free so that I don't accidentally walk out with anything.
Well, first of all, it's a total outrage. And it's not just some sort of like... You know, Trump taking some papers back to Mar-a-Lago or Biden taking some papers back to his residence. Like, both of those are improper, and frankly, I was gobsmacked by it. Like, when I go into a classified session, I just go in, you know, sort of hands-free so that I don't accidentally walk out with anything.
The idea that you need to take stuff back to your personal residence, I get it if you're a president. It may be different, but you should still have an assistant who, like, handles that material. But this is different stuff. These were operational plans and people could have died. Our people could have died. So it's really, really serious matter.
The idea that you need to take stuff back to your personal residence, I get it if you're a president. It may be different, but you should still have an assistant who, like, handles that material. But this is different stuff. These were operational plans and people could have died. Our people could have died. So it's really, really serious matter.
The idea that you need to take stuff back to your personal residence, I get it if you're a president. It may be different, but you should still have an assistant who, like, handles that material. But this is different stuff. These were operational plans and people could have died. Our people could have died. So it's really, really serious matter.
And I think we're also learning that they're just using Signal to circumvent the Presidential Records Act, the Freedom of Information Act, and, you know, just not at all respecting the need to protect, not confidentiality, right? People are like, well, it's encrypted. That's not the point.
And I think we're also learning that they're just using Signal to circumvent the Presidential Records Act, the Freedom of Information Act, and, you know, just not at all respecting the need to protect, not confidentiality, right? People are like, well, it's encrypted. That's not the point.
And I think we're also learning that they're just using Signal to circumvent the Presidential Records Act, the Freedom of Information Act, and, you know, just not at all respecting the need to protect, not confidentiality, right? People are like, well, it's encrypted. That's not the point.
I am told – and listen, I'm on the Foreign Relations Committee and the Defense Committee and I'm a member of Senate leadership, but I'm not under any illusions that I'm like the secretary of defense in terms of how interesting my content is. But I still operate under the assumption that the whole phone is compromised, right? Right.
I am told – and listen, I'm on the Foreign Relations Committee and the Defense Committee and I'm a member of Senate leadership, but I'm not under any illusions that I'm like the secretary of defense in terms of how interesting my content is. But I still operate under the assumption that the whole phone is compromised, right? Right.
I am told – and listen, I'm on the Foreign Relations Committee and the Defense Committee and I'm a member of Senate leadership, but I'm not under any illusions that I'm like the secretary of defense in terms of how interesting my content is. But I still operate under the assumption that the whole phone is compromised, right? Right.
And sure, do I use Signal for not classified but sensitive conversations? Sure, I think everybody should use an encrypted app if they can. But that's not what this is. They decided to put specific attack plans into a Signal string. And there's no way he typed that up himself. So the other question I think sort of forensically is where did he get that thing? Who typed it up?
And sure, do I use Signal for not classified but sensitive conversations? Sure, I think everybody should use an encrypted app if they can. But that's not what this is. They decided to put specific attack plans into a Signal string. And there's no way he typed that up himself. So the other question I think sort of forensically is where did he get that thing? Who typed it up?
And sure, do I use Signal for not classified but sensitive conversations? Sure, I think everybody should use an encrypted app if they can. But that's not what this is. They decided to put specific attack plans into a Signal string. And there's no way he typed that up himself. So the other question I think sort of forensically is where did he get that thing? Who typed it up?
Is that from one of the component commanders? Like how did that end up in his phone? Did he copy it and paste it into the string? So that's number one. Number two is this is an opportunity for Democrats to not outsmart themselves, to not outsmart themselves. We are causing some real political bleeding here. They are on their heels. They have no excuse for this.
Is that from one of the component commanders? Like how did that end up in his phone? Did he copy it and paste it into the string? So that's number one. Number two is this is an opportunity for Democrats to not outsmart themselves, to not outsmart themselves. We are causing some real political bleeding here. They are on their heels. They have no excuse for this.
Is that from one of the component commanders? Like how did that end up in his phone? Did he copy it and paste it into the string? So that's number one. Number two is this is an opportunity for Democrats to not outsmart themselves, to not outsmart themselves. We are causing some real political bleeding here. They are on their heels. They have no excuse for this.
This also has a resonance with some of the voters that we've lost over the last decade or two. So it's not just that this kind of like scratches the itch of the suburban progressives who we want to be enthused, and we do, right? We really do want them to be enthused.
This also has a resonance with some of the voters that we've lost over the last decade or two. So it's not just that this kind of like scratches the itch of the suburban progressives who we want to be enthused, and we do, right? We really do want them to be enthused.