Senator Chris Murphy

to make sure that they come forward as early as possible.

And clearly, there's not a belief right now that victims are going to be protected if they step forward.

And that's something that I think both the legal system and the internal ethics system can work to address.

Yeah, I'll dodge the direct question.

I will tell you my belief, and I think this squares with how you think of the world, is that Trump is not the cause of our American spiritual crisis.

He is a symptom of it.

What is plaguing America today

is a lack of meaning and purpose and connectivity in people's lives.

And we need to have an agenda that I think would be surprisingly bipartisan and in some ways apolitical to give people greater access to meaning, purpose, identity, and connection in their lives.

Those are agendas about

rebuilding healthy, unique, small cities and small towns.

That's an agenda about controlling the poisonous technology that robs you of real connection.

That's about industrial policy so that there's real dignity in work, a common good capitalism where you can make a profit in this country, but not at the expense of healthy workers.

I just think that we spend all this time in this country

fighting over important issues like abortion and immigration and climate and guns, right?

Things that I deeply care about.

And it masks this underlying realignment in this country that is happening around a different kind of less exploitative capitalism and investments in local communities, a regulation of technologies, a belief that institutions from unions to churches need to be healthy again.

I think that there's a real ability to

scramble the traditional existing fault lines in American politics.

If you, you know, run a national campaign based around meaning connection, friendship, companionship, leisure time, I think that'd be a fascinating campaign for somebody to run.