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Senator Ron Johnson

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All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Senator Ron Johnson on the Senate showdown over Trump's Big Beautiful Bill | All-In Interview

Take a look at what's happening in Europe and Germany and stuff. They're artificially driving up the cost of power for what? OK, I mean, it's a fantasy. It's a self-inflicted wound. We spent like five or six trillion dollars globally on climate change. And whether you believe it or not, we haven't bent the needle. That's just five or six trillion dollars basically wasted.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Senator Ron Johnson on the Senate showdown over Trump's Big Beautiful Bill | All-In Interview

Take a look at what's happening in Europe and Germany and stuff. They're artificially driving up the cost of power for what? OK, I mean, it's a fantasy. It's a self-inflicted wound. We spent like five or six trillion dollars globally on climate change. And whether you believe it or not, we haven't bent the needle. That's just five or six trillion dollars basically wasted.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Senator Ron Johnson on the Senate showdown over Trump's Big Beautiful Bill | All-In Interview

So, yeah, I recognize the fact we've wasted a lot of money. We've incentivized people for a certain type of power. The solution would be quit doing it. long-term and let the marketplace provide as much energy cheap as possible. Again, protecting the environment. I don't want pollution, but the whole climate change thing is... I care about electron...

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Senator Ron Johnson on the Senate showdown over Trump's Big Beautiful Bill | All-In Interview

So, yeah, I recognize the fact we've wasted a lot of money. We've incentivized people for a certain type of power. The solution would be quit doing it. long-term and let the marketplace provide as much energy cheap as possible. Again, protecting the environment. I don't want pollution, but the whole climate change thing is... I care about electron...

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Senator Ron Johnson on the Senate showdown over Trump's Big Beautiful Bill | All-In Interview

First of all, it was beneficial for no other reason than it exposed how oblivious and ignorant Congress was of all this waste, fraud, and abuse. Okay, I mean, that has value right there.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Senator Ron Johnson on the Senate showdown over Trump's Big Beautiful Bill | All-In Interview

First of all, it was beneficial for no other reason than it exposed how oblivious and ignorant Congress was of all this waste, fraud, and abuse. Okay, I mean, that has value right there.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Senator Ron Johnson on the Senate showdown over Trump's Big Beautiful Bill | All-In Interview

It should have embarrassed every member of Congress, all these department heads that this kind of spending, this kind of crap was going on, and they weren't doing oversight on it, they weren't taking a look at it, and, but.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Senator Ron Johnson on the Senate showdown over Trump's Big Beautiful Bill | All-In Interview

It should have embarrassed every member of Congress, all these department heads that this kind of spending, this kind of crap was going on, and they weren't doing oversight on it, they weren't taking a look at it, and, but.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Senator Ron Johnson on the Senate showdown over Trump's Big Beautiful Bill | All-In Interview

And I tried getting Elon's attention, quite honestly, about give me somebody in Doge that I can work with so as soon as you identify the spending, we can connect it to an appropriation account. We can connect it to a mandatory spending account so we can actually codify it. He didn't seem to have the time. And quite honestly, in a personal conversation, he said, well, we don't have to do that.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Senator Ron Johnson on the Senate showdown over Trump's Big Beautiful Bill | All-In Interview

And I tried getting Elon's attention, quite honestly, about give me somebody in Doge that I can work with so as soon as you identify the spending, we can connect it to an appropriation account. We can connect it to a mandatory spending account so we can actually codify it. He didn't seem to have the time. And quite honestly, in a personal conversation, he said, well, we don't have to do that.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Senator Ron Johnson on the Senate showdown over Trump's Big Beautiful Bill | All-In Interview

Well, we do have to do that. And so, you know, we've been hammering Russ Vogt, you know, send us a rescission package. You know, finally he bundles up $9 billion when on, I think the last time I looked at Doge's website, they were up to $165 million. It's higher than that now. They're kind of, they have fallen short of the goal. Listen, I'm not criticizing for that. them for that at all.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Senator Ron Johnson on the Senate showdown over Trump's Big Beautiful Bill | All-In Interview

Well, we do have to do that. And so, you know, we've been hammering Russ Vogt, you know, send us a rescission package. You know, finally he bundles up $9 billion when on, I think the last time I looked at Doge's website, they were up to $165 million. It's higher than that now. They're kind of, they have fallen short of the goal. Listen, I'm not criticizing for that. them for that at all.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Senator Ron Johnson on the Senate showdown over Trump's Big Beautiful Bill | All-In Interview

But the fact matters, it has to be codified. Just putting it on the website is valuable, but we got to bank the savings. And so anything that's mandatory has got to be done through reconciliation. Otherwise, it's got to be done from rescission. You got to get the public support for this. I don't know why they haven't done it.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Senator Ron Johnson on the Senate showdown over Trump's Big Beautiful Bill | All-In Interview

But the fact matters, it has to be codified. Just putting it on the website is valuable, but we got to bank the savings. And so anything that's mandatory has got to be done through reconciliation. Otherwise, it's got to be done from rescission. You got to get the public support for this. I don't know why they haven't done it.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Senator Ron Johnson on the Senate showdown over Trump's Big Beautiful Bill | All-In Interview

There's a question. They've stopped contracts. They're no longer spending money that way. But the question is whether the president on his own can impound those funds. So they may not be spent, but they're just going to be sitting out there as unallocated spending to be spent sometime in the future, unless you rescind them. And again, that's the beauty of rescission and reconciliation.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Senator Ron Johnson on the Senate showdown over Trump's Big Beautiful Bill | All-In Interview

There's a question. They've stopped contracts. They're no longer spending money that way. But the question is whether the president on his own can impound those funds. So they may not be spent, but they're just going to be sitting out there as unallocated spending to be spent sometime in the future, unless you rescind them. And again, that's the beauty of rescission and reconciliation.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Senator Ron Johnson on the Senate showdown over Trump's Big Beautiful Bill | All-In Interview

We don't need Democrats to help us there. We can do that with simple majorities, both the House and the Senate. And again, it'll be pretty depressing. President Trump in his first administration sent up a $15 billion rescission package and has voted down the Senate to Republican senators vote against it. And my guess is they paid no political price for doing that.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Senator Ron Johnson on the Senate showdown over Trump's Big Beautiful Bill | All-In Interview

We don't need Democrats to help us there. We can do that with simple majorities, both the House and the Senate. And again, it'll be pretty depressing. President Trump in his first administration sent up a $15 billion rescission package and has voted down the Senate to Republican senators vote against it. And my guess is they paid no political price for doing that.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Senator Ron Johnson on the Senate showdown over Trump's Big Beautiful Bill | All-In Interview

Any Republican that would vote against the rescission package ought to pay a pretty huge political price in voting that thing down, but it's going to take presidential leadership. He's got to be focusing on that. And I'm sorry, I don't think President Trump, he's doing all kinds of great things. He's not focused on reducing spending.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Senator Ron Johnson on the Senate showdown over Trump's Big Beautiful Bill | All-In Interview

Any Republican that would vote against the rescission package ought to pay a pretty huge political price in voting that thing down, but it's going to take presidential leadership. He's got to be focusing on that. And I'm sorry, I don't think President Trump, he's doing all kinds of great things. He's not focused on reducing spending.