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Serhii Plokhy

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
1125 total appearances

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Lex Fridman Podcast
#415 โ€“ Serhii Plokhy: History of Ukraine, Russia, Soviet Union, KGB, Nazis & War

President Carter came there, but he was not calling shots on none of those issues. What you see with Chernobyl, and people who saw HBO series know that very well, the moment the high official arrives, everyone actually falls in line. It's the official who calls the shot. To move population from the city of Pripyat, you needed The okay coming from Moscow from the very top. So that is Soviet story.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#415 โ€“ Serhii Plokhy: History of Ukraine, Russia, Soviet Union, KGB, Nazis & War

President Carter came there, but he was not calling shots on none of those issues. What you see with Chernobyl, and people who saw HBO series know that very well, the moment the high official arrives, everyone actually falls in line. It's the official who calls the shot. To move population from the city of Pripyat, you needed The okay coming from Moscow from the very top. So that is Soviet story.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#415 โ€“ Serhii Plokhy: History of Ukraine, Russia, Soviet Union, KGB, Nazis & War

President Carter came there, but he was not calling shots on none of those issues. What you see with Chernobyl, and people who saw HBO series know that very well, the moment the high official arrives, everyone actually falls in line. It's the official who calls the shot. To move population from the city of Pripyat, you needed The okay coming from Moscow from the very top. So that is Soviet story.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#415 โ€“ Serhii Plokhy: History of Ukraine, Russia, Soviet Union, KGB, Nazis & War

And there is a global story of cutting corners to meet either deadlines, like it was with that test that they were running at that time, or to meet production quarters. This is not just socialist thing. You can replace production quarters with... profit and you get the same story. Some parts in that story are generally reflective of our today's world in general.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#415 โ€“ Serhii Plokhy: History of Ukraine, Russia, Soviet Union, KGB, Nazis & War

And there is a global story of cutting corners to meet either deadlines, like it was with that test that they were running at that time, or to meet production quarters. This is not just socialist thing. You can replace production quarters with... profit and you get the same story. Some parts in that story are generally reflective of our today's world in general.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#415 โ€“ Serhii Plokhy: History of Ukraine, Russia, Soviet Union, KGB, Nazis & War

And there is a global story of cutting corners to meet either deadlines, like it was with that test that they were running at that time, or to meet production quarters. This is not just socialist thing. You can replace production quarters with... profit and you get the same story. Some parts in that story are generally reflective of our today's world in general.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#415 โ€“ Serhii Plokhy: History of Ukraine, Russia, Soviet Union, KGB, Nazis & War

Others are very specific for Soviet Union, for Soviet experience. The biggest probably Soviet Part of that story is that, on the one hand, the government in Moscow and Kiev, they mobilize all resources to deal with that.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#415 โ€“ Serhii Plokhy: History of Ukraine, Russia, Soviet Union, KGB, Nazis & War

Others are very specific for Soviet Union, for Soviet experience. The biggest probably Soviet Part of that story is that, on the one hand, the government in Moscow and Kiev, they mobilize all resources to deal with that.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#415 โ€“ Serhii Plokhy: History of Ukraine, Russia, Soviet Union, KGB, Nazis & War

Others are very specific for Soviet Union, for Soviet experience. The biggest probably Soviet Part of that story is that, on the one hand, the government in Moscow and Kiev, they mobilize all resources to deal with that.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#415 โ€“ Serhii Plokhy: History of Ukraine, Russia, Soviet Union, KGB, Nazis & War

But they keep information about what is happening and the radiation clouds secret from the rest of the population, something that completely would be impossible and was impossible in the U.S., in the U.K., where other accidents happened. And then guess what? A few years later,

Lex Fridman Podcast
#415 โ€“ Serhii Plokhy: History of Ukraine, Russia, Soviet Union, KGB, Nazis & War

But they keep information about what is happening and the radiation clouds secret from the rest of the population, something that completely would be impossible and was impossible in the U.S., in the U.K., where other accidents happened. And then guess what? A few years later,

Lex Fridman Podcast
#415 โ€“ Serhii Plokhy: History of Ukraine, Russia, Soviet Union, KGB, Nazis & War

But they keep information about what is happening and the radiation clouds secret from the rest of the population, something that completely would be impossible and was impossible in the U.S., in the U.K., where other accidents happened. And then guess what? A few years later,

Lex Fridman Podcast
#415 โ€“ Serhii Plokhy: History of Ukraine, Russia, Soviet Union, KGB, Nazis & War

The Soviet Union collapses very much also thanks to the mobilization of people over the issue of Chernobyl and nuclear energy. People writing about that subject call it eco-nationalism, ecological nationalism. which comes at least in part from withholding information from people.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#415 โ€“ Serhii Plokhy: History of Ukraine, Russia, Soviet Union, KGB, Nazis & War

The Soviet Union collapses very much also thanks to the mobilization of people over the issue of Chernobyl and nuclear energy. People writing about that subject call it eco-nationalism, ecological nationalism. which comes at least in part from withholding information from people.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#415 โ€“ Serhii Plokhy: History of Ukraine, Russia, Soviet Union, KGB, Nazis & War

The Soviet Union collapses very much also thanks to the mobilization of people over the issue of Chernobyl and nuclear energy. People writing about that subject call it eco-nationalism, ecological nationalism. which comes at least in part from withholding information from people.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#415 โ€“ Serhii Plokhy: History of Ukraine, Russia, Soviet Union, KGB, Nazis & War

In Ukraine, mobilization didn't start over the issues that led to independence, didn't start over the issue of language, or didn't start over the issue of national autonomy. It started under the slogans, tell us the truth about Chernobyl. We want to know whether we live in contaminated areas or not.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#415 โ€“ Serhii Plokhy: History of Ukraine, Russia, Soviet Union, KGB, Nazis & War

In Ukraine, mobilization didn't start over the issues that led to independence, didn't start over the issue of language, or didn't start over the issue of national autonomy. It started under the slogans, tell us the truth about Chernobyl. We want to know whether we live in contaminated areas or not.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#415 โ€“ Serhii Plokhy: History of Ukraine, Russia, Soviet Union, KGB, Nazis & War

In Ukraine, mobilization didn't start over the issues that led to independence, didn't start over the issue of language, or didn't start over the issue of national autonomy. It started under the slogans, tell us the truth about Chernobyl. We want to know whether we live in contaminated areas or not.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#415 โ€“ Serhii Plokhy: History of Ukraine, Russia, Soviet Union, KGB, Nazis & War

That was a very, very strong factor that crossed not just ethnic, religious, linguistic lines between members of the party and not members of the party of the top leadership and not in military and civilian because it turned out that the party card didn't protect you from being affected by radiation.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#415 โ€“ Serhii Plokhy: History of Ukraine, Russia, Soviet Union, KGB, Nazis & War

That was a very, very strong factor that crossed not just ethnic, religious, linguistic lines between members of the party and not members of the party of the top leadership and not in military and civilian because it turned out that the party card didn't protect you from being affected by radiation.