Seth Berkley

So, my optimism is exactly, you know, like in your book.

We've been on a pathway of better health

you know, longer lifespans, you know, better cognition, hopefully, you know, as people get older, et cetera, et cetera.

And we can do better on that, but we're going to have to continue to work on that science.

And if we do that, I think, you know, the sky's the limit.

I know there's some biological limits, but, you know, the goal here is to have a health span.

You want people to, you know—

start, live their lives healthy, have no mortality in childhood.

You want no chronic diseases and you want people to die in their sleep when whatever that age is.

You know better that than I do.

And, you know, we want to get as close as we can to that square curve.

To me, that's the optimism.

And the reason I think it's a problem to ignore health, we've laid all the different reasons.

But at the end, when you see the billionaire who all of a sudden gets a bad disease, they'll do anything.

for trying to restore their health and and what we want is not to restore health we want to have health be there throughout time we want to have prevention and that to me is is the most optimistic thing that we can possibly do for for families for parents for loved ones and um you know i think we've got a long runway there if we keep at it well i would just add to your optimism that um

Thank you so much for having me, Eric, and for all that you're doing.

And, you know, let's continue to drive all the listeners that are going to listen to this, help us drive forward to a return to science and truth and, you know, trust, because these are the things we need.