Shabaz Ali

I think it's British culture.

Like we wait for people to fail more than we sort of like revel in failure than we do in success.

So I think the culture needs to change.

Like be proud of your achievements.

How much did you raise?

10 just over 10 grand well done so exactly you know I mean so I did well done that's incredible and how are you finding fame in general okay let me try and word this so I don't get cancelled I love being able to make people laugh and I've always been a great joy it's always like doing the tour and meeting people and seeing people come up to me in the streets and go you know I love what you do for me like oh some of the darkest days you you're the light and I love that

I struggle with being on all the time.

And I think that the fame side of it is really hard.

Like people are going to probably crucify and be like, oh my God, poor little rich boy.

But like as a creator, we don't get given the grace to be off.

Like we have to be on all the time.

If you ever see me, you'll always see me with a smile, even if I'm dying.

And also the industry is hard.

The industry is hard.

I work hard all the time and it's constantly feeling like we're not good enough.

Like you create a working class, Northern, Brown, Muslim.

There's all of these barriers that are in place where everybody's got something to say about something.

So you're navigating a million different identities and a million different prejudices, aren't you?

So, and then if you say it, people are like, oh, always complaining about being, they always complain about being working class.

Yeah, yeah.