Shamabil Yacob

So particularly against Indians and Chinese.

So it's a very particular type of opposition to immigration.

I don't think it's immigration per se.

I think it's much more of a rise of racism that sits underneath it.

And we have to call it what it is.

I think sometimes using words like immigration soften the blow.

and give us permission to speak about it as if it's not a human on the other side of it.

Oh, clearly racist.

I mean, there is absolutely no other way of doing it.

And it's frustrating because, of course, I look the way that I look.

So he means it's people like Shamabil that he doesn't want in this country.

Well, it is.

And I think as an immigrant, you're always in the position, particularly when you look different from other people.

You know, it's like me and my kids are not going to blend in like some other people will.

And so there is an element of not just what it means for me, but what it means for future generations.

If you think about places like Auckland, where the majority of children who are born here are now Asian.

So what are we saying about our politics?

And what does it say to the future generation of New Zealanders that are coming?

You know what I see a lot of is people say, Shamil, not people like you, it's the other ones.

And you kind of have to bite your tongue a little bit because it is shocking in some ways.