Shane Harris

I think that's right. And you're right to say that it makes everyone less safe because if any country is holding back on information, arguably that is potentially making everybody less informed and less aware, which could have real world implications.

I think that's right. And you're right to say that it makes everyone less safe because if any country is holding back on information, arguably that is potentially making everybody less informed and less aware, which could have real world implications.

And, you know, I should stress that no one has said to me, well, we're just going to stop sharing information with the United States because we don't trust you. The real concern now is that A, the United States might just start cutting off information flows to other countries. We did see this week, the Financial Times had a very interesting report that Peter Navarro, who is sort of a...

And, you know, I should stress that no one has said to me, well, we're just going to stop sharing information with the United States because we don't trust you. The real concern now is that A, the United States might just start cutting off information flows to other countries. We did see this week, the Financial Times had a very interesting report that Peter Navarro, who is sort of a...

And, you know, I should stress that no one has said to me, well, we're just going to stop sharing information with the United States because we don't trust you. The real concern now is that A, the United States might just start cutting off information flows to other countries. We did see this week, the Financial Times had a very interesting report that Peter Navarro, who is sort of a...

kind of an aid to donald trump who is known for saying some pretty outlandish things i should say was raising the idea that canada should be kicked out of the five eyes arrangement and presumably this is some kind of coercive measure that would be used to try and get more favorable trading terms from canada Now, Navarro came out and said there was nothing to this. It was a made-up story.

kind of an aid to donald trump who is known for saying some pretty outlandish things i should say was raising the idea that canada should be kicked out of the five eyes arrangement and presumably this is some kind of coercive measure that would be used to try and get more favorable trading terms from canada Now, Navarro came out and said there was nothing to this. It was a made-up story.

kind of an aid to donald trump who is known for saying some pretty outlandish things i should say was raising the idea that canada should be kicked out of the five eyes arrangement and presumably this is some kind of coercive measure that would be used to try and get more favorable trading terms from canada Now, Navarro came out and said there was nothing to this. It was a made-up story.

But we have heard rumors of this. I've heard chatter about it before, about whether or not Trump was considering doing that. The mere idea that the United States would be using Five Eyes membership and kind of access to national security intelligence to protect the country's citizens as a coercive measure to try and get more favorable trading terms –

But we have heard rumors of this. I've heard chatter about it before, about whether or not Trump was considering doing that. The mere idea that the United States would be using Five Eyes membership and kind of access to national security intelligence to protect the country's citizens as a coercive measure to try and get more favorable trading terms –

But we have heard rumors of this. I've heard chatter about it before, about whether or not Trump was considering doing that. The mere idea that the United States would be using Five Eyes membership and kind of access to national security intelligence to protect the country's citizens as a coercive measure to try and get more favorable trading terms –

You know, strikes people I've talked to as appalling, but totally in keeping with what they would expect Donald Trump to do, which tells you just how far we've deviated from the norm.

You know, strikes people I've talked to as appalling, but totally in keeping with what they would expect Donald Trump to do, which tells you just how far we've deviated from the norm.

You know, strikes people I've talked to as appalling, but totally in keeping with what they would expect Donald Trump to do, which tells you just how far we've deviated from the norm.

That's definitely on people's minds. You know, there was a famous incident in the first year of his first term where he seemed to disclose a top secret source of information we were getting from Israeli intelligence during a meeting he had with two Russian officials, which didn't go over great.

That's definitely on people's minds. You know, there was a famous incident in the first year of his first term where he seemed to disclose a top secret source of information we were getting from Israeli intelligence during a meeting he had with two Russian officials, which didn't go over great.

That's definitely on people's minds. You know, there was a famous incident in the first year of his first term where he seemed to disclose a top secret source of information we were getting from Israeli intelligence during a meeting he had with two Russian officials, which didn't go over great.

So there is that kind of general concern about Trump himself and the people around him being very leaky and using intelligence in a way that is to their own benefit and interest. That's been a worry. Another, I think, less appreciated concern has been this intelligence-sharing relationship.

So there is that kind of general concern about Trump himself and the people around him being very leaky and using intelligence in a way that is to their own benefit and interest. That's been a worry. Another, I think, less appreciated concern has been this intelligence-sharing relationship.

So there is that kind of general concern about Trump himself and the people around him being very leaky and using intelligence in a way that is to their own benefit and interest. That's been a worry. Another, I think, less appreciated concern has been this intelligence-sharing relationship.