Shannon McGarvey

And I think, you know, she might have known a little more than the mother did about, you know, what Melissa was engaged in.

But yeah, they were very close.

And because she had a trip planned, you know, they had been calling a lot and texting, you know, just communicating a lot about the impending trip.

And when Melissa went missing...

Her phone, you know, we now know Rex Heuermann took her phone.

And, you know, when she disappeared, you know, kept it and called the family, called her sister, Amanda.

And...

taunted her with just these terrible, terrible things.

They said, I know where your sister is.

I murdered her.

I killed her in a whorehouse in Queens, describing certain things.

And this poor girl who was, like I said, 15 years old, sat there and listened to it.

And then

had to tell the authorities about it i've seen you know they made her write it down i've seen the page that you know in her handwriting that you know she wrote all these horrible things that he had said to her and when we sat down with her she recalled it as though it was like and it just happened you know it was like you could just see it was like ptsd

Well, when law enforcement collected evidence from his home, they found that book Mindhunter, which was, I can't remember the author's name, but... John Douglas.

Yeah, he fetishized...

All of that, that behavior analysis, that behavioral analysis.

And he used it as sort of like a textbook.

You know, what did he say?

He said, I think Rex Heuermann described it as like the the artist in the painting or something like it was like you can't like you can't study the artist.