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Shashank Nizam

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TED Talks Daily
Sunday Pick: The Science of Recharging on Weekends and Vacations | ReThinking with Adam Grant

It was just so alien that I thought, this is something I definitely need to implement and try out.

TED Talks Daily
Sunday Pick: The Science of Recharging on Weekends and Vacations | ReThinking with Adam Grant

I don't think they had taken a time off in the longest time possible.

TED Talks Daily
Sunday Pick: The Science of Recharging on Weekends and Vacations | ReThinking with Adam Grant

We're going to try something new.

TED Talks Daily
Sunday Pick: The Science of Recharging on Weekends and Vacations | ReThinking with Adam Grant

So he made an announcement.

TED Talks Daily
Sunday Pick: The Science of Recharging on Weekends and Vacations | ReThinking with Adam Grant

Everyone's going to take a week off every seven weeks.

TED Talks Daily
Sunday Pick: The Science of Recharging on Weekends and Vacations | ReThinking with Adam Grant

So we actually added a stick to it as well from day one.

TED Talks Daily
Sunday Pick: The Science of Recharging on Weekends and Vacations | ReThinking with Adam Grant

Yes, on their week off, we will punish you if you are working.

TED Talks Daily
Sunday Pick: The Science of Recharging on Weekends and Vacations | ReThinking with Adam Grant

You lose a week's worth of pay.

TED Talks Daily
Sunday Pick: The Science of Recharging on Weekends and Vacations | ReThinking with Adam Grant

Wow, that's very serious.

TED Talks Daily
Sunday Pick: The Science of Recharging on Weekends and Vacations | ReThinking with Adam Grant

If you reply to any email, WhatsApp, or Slack message internally or to a client, your pay will be docked for the week.

TED Talks Daily
Sunday Pick: The Science of Recharging on Weekends and Vacations | ReThinking with Adam Grant

We started with an unlimited vacation policy and it worked very well for certain employees, let's say in Europe, who would definitely take that up.

TED Talks Daily
Sunday Pick: The Science of Recharging on Weekends and Vacations | ReThinking with Adam Grant

But then for the other half of the company, which was not in Europe or North America, that was a bit of a challenge because some like me and some staff in Singapore or India, we just never took time off.

TED Talks Daily
Sunday Pick: The Science of Recharging on Weekends and Vacations | ReThinking with Adam Grant

There was an employee in Spain.

TED Talks Daily
Sunday Pick: The Science of Recharging on Weekends and Vacations | ReThinking with Adam Grant

who was giving us a lesson, a masterclass in taking vacations.

TED Talks Daily
Sunday Pick: The Science of Recharging on Weekends and Vacations | ReThinking with Adam Grant

He was off every week in April.

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Sunday Pick: The Science of Recharging on Weekends and Vacations | ReThinking with Adam Grant

In the summer, he's off for his birthday week.

TED Talks Daily
Sunday Pick: The Science of Recharging on Weekends and Vacations | ReThinking with Adam Grant

And then he's definitely off for Christmas to see his grandmother.

TED Talks Daily
Sunday Pick: The Science of Recharging on Weekends and Vacations | ReThinking with Adam Grant

Growing up in Singapore, this was unheard of.

TED Talks Daily
Sunday Pick: The Science of Recharging on Weekends and Vacations | ReThinking with Adam Grant

Singapore is polar opposite end of the siesta lifestyle in Spain.

TED Talks Daily
Sunday Pick: The Science of Recharging on Weekends and Vacations | ReThinking with Adam Grant

So this was new.

TED Talks Daily
Sunday Pick: The Science of Recharging on Weekends and Vacations | ReThinking with Adam Grant

This was surprising.

TED Talks Daily
Sunday Pick: The Science of Recharging on Weekends and Vacations | ReThinking with Adam Grant

But I have to admit, I...

TED Talks Daily
Sunday Pick: The Science of Recharging on Weekends and Vacations | ReThinking with Adam Grant

Learn to respect him for holding his boundaries and showing the team why vacations are important to begin with.

TED Talks Daily
Sunday Pick: The Science of Recharging on Weekends and Vacations | ReThinking with Adam Grant

And in the end, it allowed me to rethink my own paradigm.

TED Talks Daily
Sunday Pick: The Science of Recharging on Weekends and Vacations | ReThinking with Adam Grant

Work is all about work, work, work, work, work, which I'm sure a lot of people listening, let's say from Singapore or New York or even London would relate to.

TED Talks Daily
Sunday Pick: The Science of Recharging on Weekends and Vacations | ReThinking with Adam Grant

Whereas Marco showed us this can be holistic.

TED Talks Daily
Sunday Pick: The Science of Recharging on Weekends and Vacations | ReThinking with Adam Grant

And I was not in a position, business-wise, personally, to take a whole year off at that time.

TED Talks Daily
Sunday Pick: The Science of Recharging on Weekends and Vacations | ReThinking with Adam Grant

But that was the light bulb moment.

TED Talks Daily
Sunday Pick: The Science of Recharging on Weekends and Vacations | ReThinking with Adam Grant

hey, even if we can't take one year off every seven years, what if we take a week off every seven weeks?

TED Talks Daily
Sunday Pick: The Science of Recharging on Weekends and Vacations | ReThinking with Adam Grant

And that's where it struck, huh, okay, let's do this.

TED Talks Daily
Sunday Pick: The Science of Recharging on Weekends and Vacations | ReThinking with Adam Grant

If we have these short bursts of vacation throughout the year, you're always recharged and happy at work.

TED Talks Daily
Sunday Pick: The Science of Recharging on Weekends and Vacations | ReThinking with Adam Grant

It's like a rocket trying to leave the Earth's atmosphere with those little boosters at different stages rather than just trying to burn one big piece of rocket.

TED Talks Daily
Sunday Pick: The Science of Recharging on Weekends and Vacations | ReThinking with Adam Grant

Every seven weeks was a bit too often for a small team.

TED Talks Daily
Sunday Pick: The Science of Recharging on Weekends and Vacations | ReThinking with Adam Grant

Like people were just in and out, in and out.

TED Talks Daily
Sunday Pick: The Science of Recharging on Weekends and Vacations | ReThinking with Adam Grant

And they were taking weeks off back to back from each other.

TED Talks Daily
Sunday Pick: The Science of Recharging on Weekends and Vacations | ReThinking with Adam Grant

And that did not allow for transitions to happen within the team.

TED Talks Daily
Sunday Pick: The Science of Recharging on Weekends and Vacations | ReThinking with Adam Grant

And that was a bigger challenge because we were not a very large company.

TED Talks Daily
Sunday Pick: The Science of Recharging on Weekends and Vacations | ReThinking with Adam Grant

There were not a lot of systems and processes.

TED Talks Daily
Sunday Pick: The Science of Recharging on Weekends and Vacations | ReThinking with Adam Grant

A lot of things were based off on our daily stand-up call, which we did every morning for 30 minutes.

TED Talks Daily
Sunday Pick: The Science of Recharging on Weekends and Vacations | ReThinking with Adam Grant

So imagine if, Adam, you are my manager and you're off one week and you come back and I'm off that week.

TED Talks Daily
Sunday Pick: The Science of Recharging on Weekends and Vacations | ReThinking with Adam Grant

There is no handover.

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Sunday Pick: The Science of Recharging on Weekends and Vacations | ReThinking with Adam Grant

And then by the time it's the week after and someone else is off,

TED Talks Daily
Sunday Pick: The Science of Recharging on Weekends and Vacations | ReThinking with Adam Grant

So we made a few changes in that first iteration.

TED Talks Daily
Sunday Pick: The Science of Recharging on Weekends and Vacations | ReThinking with Adam Grant

That was very, very important.

TED Talks Daily
Sunday Pick: The Science of Recharging on Weekends and Vacations | ReThinking with Adam Grant

And then we learned from it.

TED Talks Daily
Sunday Pick: The Science of Recharging on Weekends and Vacations | ReThinking with Adam Grant

And since then, the policy has stayed the same.

TED Talks Daily
Sunday Pick: The Science of Recharging on Weekends and Vacations | ReThinking with Adam Grant

It's been more than five years now we've been doing this.

TED Talks Daily
Sunday Pick: The Science of Recharging on Weekends and Vacations | ReThinking with Adam Grant

I feel the purpose of this week off is to let your guard down, is to try something new, which is energy giving and not necessarily energy draining.

TED Talks Daily
Sunday Pick: The Science of Recharging on Weekends and Vacations | ReThinking with Adam Grant

It is my responsibility to ensure our business survives.

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Sunday Pick: The Science of Recharging on Weekends and Vacations | ReThinking with Adam Grant

Our business can only survive and thrive if the employees are themselves thriving.

TED Talks Daily
Sunday Pick: The Science of Recharging on Weekends and Vacations | ReThinking with Adam Grant

And thriving needs to be holistic, which can only come if they are taking regular time off.

TED Talks Daily
Sunday Pick: The Science of Recharging on Weekends and Vacations | ReThinking with Adam Grant

And I would rather have a

TED Talks Daily
Sunday Pick: The Science of Recharging on Weekends and Vacations | ReThinking with Adam Grant

Happy employee working on a task that is slightly delayed than a completely exhausted employee delivering on time.

TED Talks Daily
Sunday Pick: The Science of Recharging on Weekends and Vacations | ReThinking with Adam Grant

We did a statistical analysis after our first few week offs and we learned that productivity, creativity and employee happiness were all up significantly.

TED Talks Daily
Sunday Pick: The Science of Recharging on Weekends and Vacations | ReThinking with Adam Grant

I used to have this guy.

TED Talks Daily
Sunday Pick: The Science of Recharging on Weekends and Vacations | ReThinking with Adam Grant

He loved sitting in numbers and being in Excel.

TED Talks Daily
Sunday Pick: The Science of Recharging on Weekends and Vacations | ReThinking with Adam Grant

And he comes back from his week off.

TED Talks Daily
Sunday Pick: The Science of Recharging on Weekends and Vacations | ReThinking with Adam Grant

I don't know what he did or what he didn't do that week.

TED Talks Daily
Sunday Pick: The Science of Recharging on Weekends and Vacations | ReThinking with Adam Grant

And here he is in client brainstorm sessions, giving the best ideas in the room.

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Sunday Pick: The Science of Recharging on Weekends and Vacations | ReThinking with Adam Grant

And I'm just looking at him.

TED Talks Daily
Sunday Pick: The Science of Recharging on Weekends and Vacations | ReThinking with Adam Grant

People were coming back and participating in meetings like they had not previously.

TED Talks Daily
Sunday Pick: The Science of Recharging on Weekends and Vacations | ReThinking with Adam Grant

And we see this uptick in general in employee happiness.

TED Talks Daily
Sunday Pick: The Science of Recharging on Weekends and Vacations | ReThinking with Adam Grant

Like, you know, if I ask them, how happy are you after the week off?

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Sunday Pick: The Science of Recharging on Weekends and Vacations | ReThinking with Adam Grant

You can see the smiles.

TED Talks Daily
Sunday Pick: The Science of Recharging on Weekends and Vacations | ReThinking with Adam Grant

You can see, oh, you know, I'm an 8 out of 10 or 9 out of 10 today rather than completely burnt out and exhausted.

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Sunday Pick: The Science of Recharging on Weekends and Vacations | ReThinking with Adam Grant

And here at Simply Flying, because different people are taking different times off at different times of the year, everyone is bringing back a different type of energy, a positively different type of energy, which is needed on a constant basis.

TED Talks Daily
Sunday Pick: The Science of Recharging on Weekends and Vacations | ReThinking with Adam Grant

Someone just had a week off a week ago and they come back fully refreshed.

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Sunday Pick: The Science of Recharging on Weekends and Vacations | ReThinking with Adam Grant

rejuvenated and happy to continue to work.

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Sunday Pick: The Science of Recharging on Weekends and Vacations | ReThinking with Adam Grant

And that affects the mood of every single person in the team, which I do not think can be achieved if you're taking two to three weeks off a year or you're taking six weeks off in the middle of the year.

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Sunday Pick: The Science of Recharging on Weekends and Vacations | ReThinking with Adam Grant

I truly believe this can be implemented by any company with less than 100 employees.

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Sunday Pick: The Science of Recharging on Weekends and Vacations | ReThinking with Adam Grant

And you can implement this by staggering the week-offs, ensuring that everyone has great visibility on who is off which week.

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Sunday Pick: The Science of Recharging on Weekends and Vacations | ReThinking with Adam Grant

I need to know seven weeks out when you will be off.

TED Talks Daily
Sunday Pick: The Science of Recharging on Weekends and Vacations | ReThinking with Adam Grant

So, for example, for my staff, I know six months in advance when someone is going to be off.

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Sunday Pick: The Science of Recharging on Weekends and Vacations | ReThinking with Adam Grant

The clients know months in advance and weeks in advance when someone will be off.

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Sunday Pick: The Science of Recharging on Weekends and Vacations | ReThinking with Adam Grant

So, first, transparency is key.

TED Talks Daily
Sunday Pick: The Science of Recharging on Weekends and Vacations | ReThinking with Adam Grant

Second...

TED Talks Daily
Sunday Pick: The Science of Recharging on Weekends and Vacations | ReThinking with Adam Grant

You don't have to implement the model exactly like we are doing it.

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Sunday Pick: The Science of Recharging on Weekends and Vacations | ReThinking with Adam Grant

Please iterate based on your organization.

TED Talks Daily
Sunday Pick: The Science of Recharging on Weekends and Vacations | ReThinking with Adam Grant

Absolutely.

TED Talks Daily
Sunday Pick: The Science of Recharging on Weekends and Vacations | ReThinking with Adam Grant

And you will see impacts and results that I may not have seen.

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Sunday Pick: The Science of Recharging on Weekends and Vacations | ReThinking with Adam Grant

I have seen certain results in my employees and in my company, and larger organizations might see completely different results.