Shawn French

And then I had Andy Frisella's co-host DJ on.

Then I had Larry Hagner on from the Data Edge podcast.

And then it started giving me this belief system that I could get cool people on and have good interviews.

Another small milestone is when I... You're going to laugh.

I printed off the original logo of the Determined Society, which was a word cluster for crying out loud, Hala.

A word cluster.

So bad.

And I put it in a frame from CVS or Walgreens.

I can't remember which one.

And then I got the 3M tape, the double-sided tape.

Official, this is dope.

Look at this thing, man.

And I look back at it and I just want to throw up.

But that was a milestone for me, right?

So there's many milestones that I look back on that mortified me then, but now I'm very proud of because the audience has been able to see my growth, my stages, right?

Right.

So starting off having everything, it's not necessarily a good thing.

I think you need to want a little bit.

I think you need to get your butt kicked a little bit because then you can really appreciate this industry.

As you know, that is very hard.