Shawn Ryan

I it's probably not physics the way I define it when that's the case but there is cool like you can unlock cool things when like you're changing the way you're doing things and I think that I sorry for good for this quantum gravity thing it's again it's about trying to condense this corpus you're trying to like find a single description that can limit to two different things and right now we really have only a limited number of suggestions like roughly string theory is a framework

Can you try to find other ones?

You probably never would if you're just sociologically in a field where everything you're learning is in the context of like within string theory.

It probably would be some variant of it at any point, just almost by accident.

So I think it's kind of fun to do a little bit of a meta layer and think about like what are we actually after as a field and be clear about those goals.

Oh, I love it.

So Perimeter is founded by Mike Lazaridis.

He's one of the co-founders of BlackBerry.

And he's one of these, like, you know, tech entrepreneur physics fans.

So, like, I mean, obviously, like, he kind of ahead of his time with the smartphone type of thing, was an engineer, awesome engineer, and then, like, liked physics, then put a lot of money into a physics institute.

I'm not sure.

Like, I mean...

like you have to be a fun kind of, I don't know if it's a brilliant idea or a silly idea, but it's definitely good for the physicists.

So what I love about it is that it's like a research institution that's like a private public partnership.

So like his money is highly leveraged and like the Canadian government supports it of just for theoretical physics.

And so it's neat because you can imagine, you know, if you cared about the product, you care about research,

Having something where the whole institution is dedicated to that is a very different vibe than, again, like a university where you're pooling your eight auditoriums or your dorms or things like that.

And it's all these different research directions that are together sharing some resources.

And you're kind of like cross-sectioning the field.

And then it's the reputation of that place that draws some talent in or not.