Shawn Ryan

But see, the thing is, I always, I think I always take the more pragmatic attitude of, like,

Like, build cool shit.

Like, don't ask what is actually true.

Like, try to engineer a thing so that it is possible.

But, yeah, maybe it's less cool for the UFO type of thing.

But, like, you know, imagine the thing that would have to be true for that to be real.

Do you believe it's true or do you want it to be true or do you not want it to be true?

Like what's the conclusion that you draw if there's like really some like deep state type of thing that's hiding all these alien cool stuff?

Exactly.

I do too.

Yeah.

But like the person who then doesn't think it's bullshit has this probably in their mind like a –

more like powerful versions of the U.S.

government having like some really cool like men in black tech, right?

I don't know.

That's kind of appealing or fun.

Like I, yeah, I just, I think that we need to.

Yeah, to lay off the conspiracies and make the cool stuff like that you can do.

You know what I mean?

There's a lot of stuff that's like same isomorphism class of like, that's fucking cool.