Shawn Ryan

But it sounds like you're kind of saying that's not the way to live.

Sometimes I think this stuff just gets way too complicated, too.

you know what i mean oh i'm right there with you i mean discernment everybody has their you know their interpretation of the bible i grew up catholic i still i still consider myself catholic i go back and forth from the catholic church to non-denominational i think i think we'll get into that later but

I think, I don't know, and you're a lot more well-versed in this than I am, but I think maybe there is a possibility that God never intended any of this to be so damn complicated.

And if you break it down, it really comes down to good and evil.

And one's always trying to take over the other.

And so if you...

back to setting the example, planting a seed.

If you can be the example that you want other people to be, which is good, and you pay it forward and you share, you lift up people that maybe aren't, whatever, is successful or whatever the fuck you want to call it.

And you just are constantly spreading good, which is not, you know,

then that overtakes evil and if you're spreading evil then that's amplifying evil and setting an example that other people are going to follow some everybody has influence over somebody you know and so if you use that influence and you use it just for selfish reasons and spread evil then that's

then that begins to amplify.

If you use it to spread good, good begins to amplify.

In the end, one takes over the other.

We know what that is.

Do you think it could be literally that damn simple?

I like that.

Let's go back to LA.

Back to LA.

So when did this turn officially into your ministry?