Shawn Ryan

I'm different.

I just have a different constitution.

I have a different brain.

I have a different heart.

I have a different, you know, I get tiger blood, man.

Dying's for fools.

In the middle of that whole chaos?

Yeah.

I was...

It's kind of a double-edged sword because I was really hard to control.

I had found some different level of I don't know what.

There was just some other energy or some other possession or just some just thing that I just needed to stay attached to.

And I can't even really describe it.

I don't want to say it was out of body because then you're kind of like not owning it.

um i i knew what was going on i just didn't want it to stop and that's the part i can't really explain when i look back on that stuff it's like dude like okay maybe after that interview you issue a statement or you just like go you just disappear somewhere for a month or just but to keep that thing going was just like that's the part um just the energy that required i don't have that kind of stamina anymore um but as far as the people that um

I guess you could say we're more complicit than not.

It does take two to tango.

And I say in the book that in this case, it felt more like 2000.

But I also specifically write a line about...

In the years since, I've combed through the mental health manual, and I still can't find vile exploitation as a treatment protocol.